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  hello questions about JW

  by bananna in

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  it seems hard to find a jw contact on the internet.

  i'm a messianic and i'm trying to get an idea of what jw teach without all the prejudice of the mainstream gossip line.

  is there any out there defending the jw beliefs on line?.

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  Check_Your_Premises

  banana,

  Some groups with similar an interesting ideas are the

  Christadelphians - They maintain similar views on the nature of Christ and believe that the faithful will live forever on a paradise earth

  Armstrong groups - These are several break-away sects from the Worldwide Church of God. Two websites I am aware of for these guys are www.thercg.org and www.tomorrowsworld.org (the second one has a tv show!)

  Bible Students - These folks believe most of the stuff the JW's do, since this is their founding group. It was started by Charles Taze Russel. When he died Joseph Rutheford took over the publishing company and renamed them the Jehovah's Witnesses. Those who did not wish to go with him remained Bible Students.

  Hope this helps!

  CYP
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  Church of Christ

  by TheListener in

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  is anyone here associated with a non-denominational church of christ congregation?.

  i read the fairly detailed write-up on wikipedia and found it somewhat, key being somewhat, similar to the jws except for the rules and regulations and the strong focus on end times.. it seems like an intriguing religious group.

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  Listener,

  I didn't read the whole thread so sorry if someone already pointed this out...

  I think there are two seperate COC's. One is a cult that uses the same name as the bigger, orthodox group. I am not sure how to distinguish the two. If you show up and get love bombed, you know which one!

  CYP
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  can you people honestly say gods spirit is guiding you?].

  i think not!

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  CYP: jw,

  That was profoundly succinct.

  Not profound, just a computer glitch while posting....

  ...wise ass
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  can you people honestly say gods spirit is guiding you?].

  i think not!

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  jw,

  That is an interesting question.

  I always remembered the account in Matthew 12, where the pharisees attributed Jesus' ability to cast out demons to satan. Jesus then went on to tell them that blasphemy against the son of man would be forgive, but blasphemy against the holy spirit would not.

  I have always struggled with that verse, since it seems counter to Jehovah's nature that there is a sin that would not be forgiven. Nevertheless I have always been VERY careful not to attribute the works of other to satan.

  With that said, I think the whole game of crediting success to Jehovah is a dicey game. Naturally we want to attribute any success we have to Jehovah, it gives us instant spiritual "street cred". On the other hand, if we do it to much we risk making Jehovah look bad when we make fools out of ourselves. Naturally, Jehovah does not deserve credit for the mormons falsely claiming that native Americans are related to Jews in the face of irrefutable DNA evidence.

  And what about anyone who is successful? Does Microsoft have Jehovah's blessing? What about people who simply are using good practical methods and processes that naturally lead to success? Is it possible for instance that the Jehovah's Witnesses might have his blessing, but at the same time they are using very effective methods to grow membership and maintain loyalty?

  What might those methods be? Would JW for instance be as effective if they recommended that all read any argument or look at any fact that might support the explanation the JW are not his organization? I mean if they have Jehovah's spirit, it shouldn't matter should it?

  Shouldn't the truth always welcome questioning and doubts because it knows it's quality will be proven and our faith made stronger in the light of honest examination?
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  can you people honestly say gods spirit is guiding you?].

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  jw,
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  I saw the movie United 93

  by pratt1 in

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  as i mentioned in an earlier post, i went to see the movie united 93 with a group of friends who were with me at the wtc on 9/11.. first, i encourage all of you who feel that you are ready to see this reenactment as a movie, to see it.

  because it is on a wide screen and most of the film takes place in the traffic controller's offices and the inside of the plane, you get the feeling of actually being part of the action.. the film tells the story of how the traffic controllers, military, and the passengers of the plane realized that what started out as a few planes missing from radar turned into a delibrate terrorist attack on our government.. filmed in what seemed to be almost real time you see how people went from bewilderment, panic to resolve and of course eventually the actual tradgey.. it is quite heartwenching watching the passengers realize that they were going to die, and how many of them communicated with their loved ones, leaving them with messages of love and resolve.. i hope i haven't given too much away.. it really makes you realize that an unforeseen occurrence can alter your life forever.

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  Check_Your_Premises

  I saw it the day it opened.

  It was obviously designed to make you feel as if you are THERE. It ends looking out the cockpit as they struggle for control of the plane. The ground comes up and then at the moment of impact goes to black. You die with them.

  There has been much talk about this movie being propaganda or speculation or even exploitation.

  I don't think it was. If anything it was completely devoid of commentary.

  Obviously there was some speculation as to the events on the plane in those final minutes. All the info we have (unless you are convinced that everything the "government" tells us is a lie) was from phone conversations with those on the ground and the data from the inflight recorder. All depictions of the individuals were made based on extensive research on these folks with input from their families (probably not the families of the terrorists).

  As far as I know, everything that was depicted was tied to some information. Any events that were speculated on appeared to me to be completely plausible and even likely. Ultimately it was a "best guess" as to what really happened. But anyone who would complain about it would have to provide a better explanation based on some verifiable fact. Quite a challenge indeed.

  And ulitmately what does it matter. The plane went down before it hit the capitol building. Unless you are convinced that the plane was shot down by the "government", you have to acknowledge that however successful they were, these folks are the reason why.

  Rest in peace, and thank you!

  CYP
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  JW's TORTURES DAUGHTER TO DEATH

  by DannyHaszard in

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  girl's brother testifies father fatally beat her

  chicago tribune, united states - 20 minutes ago .

  ... avenue, chicago.

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  I'm not sure what happened after that, but the elders were pissed off that she had "brought reproach upon Jehovah's name" by exposing their dirty little secrets. Assholes.

  So let me get this straight. You are saying that elders would rather let someone be abused then to damage the jw reputation by reporting the abuse to authorities.

  This isn't written anywhere obviously.

  How many elders act this way? What percentage would not report the abuse?

  I know this is speculation, but how do so many get the message not to report abuse? I know, unwritten rules and all.

  CYP
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  JW's TORTURES DAUGHTER TO DEATH

  by DannyHaszard in

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  girl's brother testifies father fatally beat her

  chicago tribune, united states - 20 minutes ago .

  ... avenue, chicago.

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  Check_Your_Premises

  Like others here, I am inclined not to use the behavior of a single person as a way to discredit an entire group. I have to think any JW I have ever met or known would be completely disgusted by this.

  On the other hand, some of these children were in there teens! Didn't ANYBODY notice all the bruises? The attitudes that would have to be in place to support this level of cruelty surely manifested themselves in other ways for all to see?

  I have a question. If an elder became aware of physical abuse in a home, would it EVER lead to a call to the authorities?

  CYP
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  What kind of safety precautions do dubs take for field service?

  by Check_Your_Premises in

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  do they provide guidelines about safely entering homes?.

  if a jw enters a home for the first time, what kind of safety precautions are taken by the car group to ensure the safety of the jw?.

  for instance i was shocked to find out my jw wife wasn't instructed by the elders as to which homes belonged to registered sex offenders.

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  Blondie,

  I thought of playing that card.

  I wonder what kind of support I would get from her real "husband".

  I mean seriously. Say she is out with 3 Sister Super Pioneer's and one of them says "let's do door to door so you can work on that presentation". Like she is really going to say, "No, I can't. My unbelieving husband has forbidden me to do door to door work with my toddler"

  yeah right

  I might get her to agree not to go into houses she doesn't know.

  CYP
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  What kind of safety precautions do dubs take for field service?

  by Check_Your_Premises in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  do they provide guidelines about safely entering homes?.

  if a jw enters a home for the first time, what kind of safety precautions are taken by the car group to ensure the safety of the jw?.

  for instance i was shocked to find out my jw wife wasn't instructed by the elders as to which homes belonged to registered sex offenders.

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  In one instance my wife told me that she and my daughter entered the home of this "crazy catholic" guy. His wife was home so they went in to talk to him. They were there for 1/2 hour.

  After they left, the lone male in the car group told her, "I was getting worried about you, if you were in there another five minutes I was goin in!"

  Keep in mind, this guy is a total raised-a-dub candy ass. My daughter could probably whip this guys ass.

  I started to realize just how daft, careless, and irresponsible those making my wife (my young children with her) go out in service. From the gb down to the boe. MORONS!!!

  I wonder what kind of safety precautions I could get her to make... at the very friggin least when she is draggin my kids around!

  Would it be to much to ask for her NOT to take them to a new door? Or leave them in the car when she works a new door? I mean seriously!

  I have thought of bringing it up to her, but I figure she would just figure I was persecuting her. What do you guys think?

  CYP