Posts by Check_Your

If you look at the strategic considerations of nations with nukes, they are almost perfectly analogous to the considerations of individuals with guns.

What I find interesting is that the folks that want to keep other countries from having nukes are usually the folks that want to make getting guns as easy as possible for individuals and vice versa.

Curious.

CYP

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Do we have the right to tell Iran that they can not have nuclear weapons?

by free2beme in

jw
friends

i was looking at a list today, of countries that have nuclear weapons.

i always think of the united states, russia, france and china.

what shocked me, were pakistan, and india also have nuclear weapons.

Check_Your_Premises

Good question.

Right implies some sort of permission given by some sort of guiding principle.

I guess the claim would be that since we are a legitimately democratically elected government we have the right to tell a dictator since he is just one guy and doesn't (probably) represent the will of his people.

Of course once someone has a nuke, you really can't tell them they can't have a nuke since they now have a deterrent whether you think you have the right or not to tell them.

The problem with the whole "right" thing is figuring out whose guiding principle should be guiding it. Sure you might get some Yankee who says we have the right. But who the hell is going to agree with that who isn't a Yankee?

Maybe a better way to think about it is Cost vs. Benefit coupled with what we Can and Can't do. In fact that is probably a good way to talk about ANYTHING a government does.

So what are the costs of Iran getting a nuke? To us? To the world? What are the benefits?

Once you get that, then ask yourself what can and can't we do about it?

Looking at it from that standpoint, I think it becomes clear that we should pretty much do whatever we can to keep those nutbags from getting nukes. Muslim extremists are like JW's with guns.

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Is there a quotes mirror site anywhere besides reexamine.org

by Check_Your_Premises in

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friends

they are under construction and i want to download the site for personal use.. cyp.

Check_Your_Premises

That sounds about right if I remember....

Yeah, could you send it to me?

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Is there a quotes mirror site anywhere besides reexamine.org

by Check_Your_Premises in

jw
friends

they are under construction and i want to download the site for personal use.. cyp.

Check_Your_Premises

I saw that one... in particular I was looking for the mirror sites that allow you to download the material.

I haven't gone through that site, and I probably don't have time. I do know quotes pretty well and would really appreciate it if anyone had a copy of it or a link to where I could get it.

CYP

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Is there a quotes mirror site anywhere besides reexamine.org

by Check_Your_Premises in

jw
friends

they are under construction and i want to download the site for personal use.. cyp.

Check_Your_Premises

They are under construction and I want to download the site for personal use.

CYP

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How much influence did the internet have on you leaving the organization?

by The wanderer in

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friends

untitled document  discoveries about the organization on the internet admittedly, had it not been for the internet, and all of the dis-.

coveries that were found on it; i would still be one of jehovah's .

witnesses.

Check_Your_Premises

Yep. When Gore was running for president. He made a statement that he invented the internet!

I don't think he actually used the words "invented". I believe it was a statement made in context of some legislation that helped fund the connections between university and military computers. I think he said, "I helped create the internet".

But it was a pretty funny statement, reminisent of "making outreageous claims like he invented the question mark". It caught on, and now is firmly entrenched in the American Lexicon. Right up there with "I voted for the war before I voted against it", "strategery", "don't misunderestimate me", and "It depends what the meaning of the word is, is".

CYP

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If U Don't Go To All The Meetings & Conventions You're Not Jehovah's Friend

by minimus in

jw
friends

so said an elder's wife who is considered the most respected sister in the congregation.

she said this at my mom's bookstudy where many elderly attend.

when my mother told me what the elder's wife has said, i said, "well, it's better to know now where you stand with jehovah than later, i guess".

Check_Your_Premises

At least she now knows she doesn't have to kill herself for Jehovah

Unless she needs blood...

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The bottom line argument a dub must accept to refuse blood

by Check_Your_Premises in

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friends

since the entire scriptural, historical, and medical basis for the ban on blood is baseless and incoherent, ultimately it rests on the credibility of the wt as god's organization.. of course we can't rely on that either, because the history of the wt includes a ban on organ transplants and vaccinations.

today they allow those treatments, and therefore by their own admission they incorrectly placed restrictions on them in the past.

unquestionably people died adhering to those restrictions.

Check_Your_Premises

Giving this a bump for non-hypothetical reasons

CYP

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More US lies to talk up case for war

by Simon in

at it again just as they did with iraq.. no doubt this report was preparation to have something to quote when trying to drum up support for a war.. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/5346524.stm.

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Check_Your_Premises

Humans fight wars because that's what we do. I fear it will never end.

Only the dead have seen the end of war -Plato

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