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  Sign of the times?

  by BugEye in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  here is one for you.. in matt 24:9 it says **then** you will be persecuted .

  in luke 21:12 it says **before** this you will be persecuted.

  i have my own explaination, but it is quite radical and so.

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  BugEye

  Hi Aaron, thanks for that. I understand that, but that does not explain the contradiction then.

  dave
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  What I Observed Last Night At The Kingdom Hall

  by stevieb1 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am still one of jehovah's witnesses and i still attend meetings at the kingdom hall though i am quite disgruntled over many of the society's teachings and the practices that go on in the congregation.

  i have read everything about jw's both pro and con, (i have one of the largest collections of material related to jw's in europe) and i have contributed scholarly articles to the society on many occasions.

  i could talk about many things but i'll just talk about what i observed last night.

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  BugEye

  That was a genuine question, not a derogatory statement.

  Dave
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  What I Observed Last Night At The Kingdom Hall

  by stevieb1 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am still one of jehovah's witnesses and i still attend meetings at the kingdom hall though i am quite disgruntled over many of the society's teachings and the practices that go on in the congregation.

  i have read everything about jw's both pro and con, (i have one of the largest collections of material related to jw's in europe) and i have contributed scholarly articles to the society on many occasions.

  i could talk about many things but i'll just talk about what i observed last night.

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  BugEye

  So why are you still there?

  Matt 23:15

  Dave
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  BRITS v YANKS

  by nicolaou in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  brits v yanks.

  this is just for laughs, but let's be honest us brits are most definately ahead of our 'cousins' across the water in the credibility stakes.. i'll kick us off and see where we go;.

  [1] the beautiful game.. it's called football.

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  BugEye

  A yanks idea of international news is the NY stock exchange report.
  No joke, thats what they said on NBC today before crossing to the
  finance report.

  Its called arrogance and they lose all points for that.

  Yanks dont think that they have the best country, they think its the
  only one.

  Like all world powers of history, they overrate their importance and
  think that they are invincible

  Dave
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  new, nowhere to turn, ashamed & afraid

  by azzazel in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hullo everybody i'm new here, even though i've been lurking now for several months.. i have to say how afraid i am to post, afraid and ashamed but i feel if i dont tell my story, i honestly dont know what may happen to me or my children if they lose me, right now i feel like i've got nowhere left to turn and have my doubts about this place as well.. i know my story will shock you but i cant keep it in any longer.

  i am recently disfellowshipped for immorality, the subject of a kingdom hall witch -hunt and subsequent congregational humiliation, .

  during the process of the judicial committee meetings and proceedings no consideration was given to my real human circumstances nor to the spirit of survival nor human nature nor that of a mother seeking to protect her children from lack of basic fundamentals such as food, shelter and clothing.

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  BugEye

  Azzazel

  Prostitution is not my idea of a good career move, but at least it
  has a long history and will always be in demand

  Dave
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  new, nowhere to turn, ashamed & afraid

  by azzazel in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hullo everybody i'm new here, even though i've been lurking now for several months.. i have to say how afraid i am to post, afraid and ashamed but i feel if i dont tell my story, i honestly dont know what may happen to me or my children if they lose me, right now i feel like i've got nowhere left to turn and have my doubts about this place as well.. i know my story will shock you but i cant keep it in any longer.

  i am recently disfellowshipped for immorality, the subject of a kingdom hall witch -hunt and subsequent congregational humiliation, .

  during the process of the judicial committee meetings and proceedings no consideration was given to my real human circumstances nor to the spirit of survival nor human nature nor that of a mother seeking to protect her children from lack of basic fundamentals such as food, shelter and clothing.

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  BugEye

  G'Day Azzazel

  I am a newbie also, so I dont really count, but I have recently
  decided that the WTBTS is nowhere near the truth although I knew
  they were wrong in many areas for several years.

  I feel for you and your situation, and unfortunately, it is simply
  proof that it is not Jehovahs org as they claim. Because love is the
  key proof.

  My question to you, is what do you intend to do now and how can I
  help?

  I suggest you dont go on a rampage of rebelion as many do, but
  thing of your personal growth from here on in. Your children need
  you most of all now, so they are obviously a high priority.

  Dave
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  Sign of the times?

  by BugEye in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  here is one for you.. in matt 24:9 it says **then** you will be persecuted .

  in luke 21:12 it says **before** this you will be persecuted.

  i have my own explaination, but it is quite radical and so.

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  BugEye

  G'Day Six of Nine of unimatrix ...

  Personally I think Seven is cuter, but anywho

  I have no hard evidence that Julius ceasar existed except for a
  couple of written words.

  I think that Nero was the emporer when Rome was destroyed by fire,
  but the evidence is shakey.

  According to Quantum mechanics theory, the atom at the end of my
  finger could at this moment be in Cygnus X-1.

  But somewhere along the line, I tend to accept things that make
  at least a semblence of sense.

  Did Jesus exist or say these things? I never spoke to him personally,
  neither did anyone that I know, so anything before about 200 years ago
  is by its very nature conjecture based upon supposition.

  Personally, I find the Schrodinger wave equation to be innacurate, and
  while Quantum theory seems to work in many situations, since one
  wavefunction cannot be applied to another atom or molecule other than
  the one it was derived from, I would not be disturbed to hear that it
  was all a load of hoohah.

  The general evidence seems to show that there did exist a charismatic
  leader of a new religion stemming from Judaism around 30 A.D.

  That less than 80 years later, not only were the versions of his life
  generally agreed upon, but quite an immense following was ensuing,
  seems to indicate that there was something to the story.

  As a start, I suggest you read some of the translated volumes of the
  anti-nicene fathers which are freely available on the net.

  As for accuracy of the bible in general, translate the passages that
  interest you yourself, it is not as difficult as it may appear.
  Generally Greek is much easier to start with. Also, once you have
  done that, compare the text with different manuscripts.

  I do not claim to have the answers, but I investigate much of
  what I believe myself. I find that evidence is often based upon
  belief and so very little "truth" is available.

  Just some thoughts

  Dave
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  Sign of the times?

  by BugEye in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  here is one for you.. in matt 24:9 it says **then** you will be persecuted .

  in luke 21:12 it says **before** this you will be persecuted.

  i have my own explaination, but it is quite radical and so.

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  BugEye

  Please point out the errors in my argument.

  Dave
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  Sign of the times?

  by BugEye in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  here is one for you.. in matt 24:9 it says **then** you will be persecuted .

  in luke 21:12 it says **before** this you will be persecuted.

  i have my own explaination, but it is quite radical and so.

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  BugEye

  Ok Here goes

  These Scriptures make unison "if" we exclude Matt 24: 7,8 and its
  counterpart in Luke from the sign of the end.

  For example in verse 6 it says dont be worried if you here of wars or
  reports of wars but the end is not yet. What if in vs 9 and 10 he
  is actually continuing this saying 'there is always going to be
  nations rising against nations and famines and earthquakes, and
  these things are painful'

  and after that he talks about the sign.

  People have always considered wars and earthquakes and droughts as
  signs from God of impending doom, and maybe Jesus was saying this time
  that that it not the case and that the end is NOT signaled by wars and
  famines and earthquakes, but the first sign is serious persecution.

  Dave
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  Sign of the times?

  by BugEye in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  here is one for you.. in matt 24:9 it says **then** you will be persecuted .

  in luke 21:12 it says **before** this you will be persecuted.

  i have my own explaination, but it is quite radical and so.

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  BugEye

  Here is one for you.

  In Matt 24:9 it says **then** you will be persecuted

  In Luke 21:12 it says **before** this you will be persecuted

  I have my own explaination, but it is quite radical and so
  I will listen to you more experienced ones before I pop my
  foot in.

  Dave