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  2010 DC" Remain in Gods Love"...Most Unloving Yet??

  by JWFreak in

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  the talk outlines for the summers conventions are only being printed over the next 2 weeks or so.. the finished outlines were ready in the middle of december 2009, however sources that i trust tell me that at least 5 of the talks were returned for last minute rewriting which is highly unusual.

  this has held up the printing until now, a delay of over a month.

  this is a fact!!.

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  I would love to hear them 'lose it' in writing these talks and really get nuts.

  Haven't they already done that?

  I think they're destroying the facade with their own hands...
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  "Letting Spiritual Light Shine Online" - Watcthower.org gets 70,000 hits a day!

  by slimboyfat in

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  i am reading the new 2010 yearbook at the moment.

  on page 13 it says www.watchtower.org gets 70,000 hits a day, and that 24 million people visited the web site last year, a 33% increase since 2007. .

  simon, how does that compare with this site?

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  Because they are used to getting away with lying, and it has served them so well in the past.

  I wonder how many hits are from "apostates" seeking hypocrisy and falsehoods, which can be used against the Society.
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  My JW Friend's Justification for the WT Being God's Chosen Organisation

  by maputo95 in

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  2. beliefs

  below is my jw friend's "proof" that the wt is god's only organisation and mouthpiece on earth.

  he has yet to reinforce his strange story by biblical text or the church fathers or any historical evidence.. please, suggest how i may respond to his assertion.

  i believe that this is the fundamental doctrine of the 'borg' and the one on which wt credibility rests.. thank you.. .

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  (Reworked old post [23. Oct. 2006]:)

  W 01. April 1986 QfR:

  Do we have Scriptural precedent for taking such a strict position? Indeed we do! Paul wrote about some in his day: "Their word will spread like gangrene. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of that number. These very men have deviated from the truth, saying that the resurrection has already occurred; and they are subverting the faith of some." (2 Timothy 2:17, 18; see also Matthew 18:6.) There is nothing to indicate that these men did not believe in God, in the Bible, in Jesus’ sacrifice. Yet, on this one basic point, what they were teaching as to the time of the resurrection, Paul rightly branded them as apostates, with whom faithful Christians would not fellowship.

  This is most fascinating. When the F&DS was supposedly appointed in 1919, the Watch Tower Society was still teaching that the Resurrection had begun in 1878, a teaching the WTS now admits was false. According to the Watch Tower Society, the Lord thus appointed over all his belongings an organisation that (by its own published standard) would be 'rightly branded apostate, with whom faithful Christians would not fellowship'!!!
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  Undermining confidence in the wonderful Borg

  by leo999 in

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  2. beliefs

  hi , i need some help to convince someone that feels the problems all lie with people in our congregaions that are 'imperfect' , but that the fds and the wt are wonderful .

  i am doing this over the net , and have sent articles on the spanish bethel .. has anyone any suggestions on subjects / info to undermine their view that all is rosy in the borg ?.

  leo 999.

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  bennyk

  (Recycled old post [23. Oct. 2006]:)

  W 01. April 1986 QfR:

  Do we have Scriptural precedent for taking such a strict position? Indeed we do! Paul wrote about some in his day: "Their word will spread like gangrene. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of that number. These very men have deviated from the truth, saying that the resurrection has already occurred; and they are subverting the faith of some." (2 Timothy 2:17, 18; see also Matthew 18:6.) There is nothing to indicate that these men did not believe in God, in the Bible, in Jesus’ sacrifice. Yet, on this one basic point, what they were teaching as to the time of the resurrection, Paul rightly branded them as apostates, with whom faithful Christians would not fellowship.

  This is most fascinating. When the F&DS was supposedly appointed in 1919, the Watch Tower Society was still teaching that the Resurrection had begun in 1878 -- a teaching not altered until 1927 -- and which teaching the WTS now rejects as false. Does it not bugger the imagination to believe the Lord appointed over all his belongings an organisation that (by its own published standard) would be 'rightly branded apostate, with whom faithful Christians would not fellowship'?
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  Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 01-31-10 WT Study (GOOD MANNERS)

  by blondie in

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  son.. comments.

  comments.

  ministry.. comments.

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  Thanks, Blondie.

  "...we allow Bible principles to give us flexibility in dignifying fellow humans everywhere."

  And, of course, we dignify them by viewing people unresponsive to the Watchtower Gospel as 'birdfood'...

  "Honor your father and your mother in order that your days may prove long upon the ground that Jehovah your God is giv¬ing you." (Ex. 20:12)

  Unless the father and/or mother are disfellowshipped...
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  Commentary on the Letter of James

  by lepermessiah in

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  zoiks inspired this thread when he mentioned this book elsewhere.. i have read other threads on this forum about it, but i always enjoy the fresh insight on here.. commentary on the letter of james was always my favorite book from wtbs, partly because i love the book of james, but also because it was one of the books that dealt with more practical christian living than constant wt doctrine.. i mentioned to a number of people that i loved that book, and got a few comments of "well, you know that book was written by an apostate.".

  it didnt take me long to do a little math - that book came out i believe in 1979/1980, right around the time of the great purge.

  how could someone write such an excellent book and then be branded an apostate just a few months later???.

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  I really liked both Commentary on the Letter of James and Choosing the Best Way of Life.

  Incidentally, Choosing the Best Way of Life was written by Reinhard Lengtat, not Ed Dunlap.
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  Did the GB/WT said that the “Great Crowd” is going to heaven? May 1, 2002 WT - Question From Readers.

  by tjlibre in

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  in the april 15, 2010 wt study article that contains the new interpretation on the generation quagmire...hurgmm..hurgmm ...teaching.

  there is a box titled are you keeping up with increased light?

  one particular article sparked my interest, the one titled: in which courtyard does the great crowd serve?

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  The naos itself is specifically stated to be in Heaven in Rev. 11:19; 14:17; and 15:5. The "Great Crowd" is in the naos (en to nao) according to Rev. 7:15.

  Even if the word naos could be construed as including the courtyards (though it does not), those same courtyards would be necessarily in Heaven -- emphatically NOT on Earth. The beauty of the cited scriptures is that they make an absolute definition of what the naos includes or does not include immaterial: the naos itself is in Heaven -- all of it.

  Ergo, the "Great Crowd" serves in Heaven.
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  NEW GENERATION DEFINED -- April 15, 2010 Watchtower

  by Ultimate Reality in

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  2. bible

  from jw.org, here is the new definition of the generation from the april 15, 2010 watchtower.. .

  article: holy spirits role in the outworking of jehovahs purpose.

  13 third, holy spirit is at work in bringing bible.

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  Oh, boy. Here we go again...

  The "Anointed" were not in existence when the words were spoken (pre-Pentecost), and thus could scarcely be the "this generation" about which Jesus spoke... And, in fact, the WatchTower Society specifically precluded their current understanding in the "Question from Readers" back in November 1995:

  *** w95 11/1 pp. 30-31 Questions From Readers
  

  When Jesus used “generation” for the last time, he was on the Mount of Olives with four apostles. (Mark 13:3)
  Those men, who were not yet anointed with spirit nor part of a Christian congregation, certainly did not constitute either a “generation” or a race of people.

  And in 1997:

  *** w97 6/1 28 Questions From Readers ***

  Many scriptures confirm that Jesus did not use “generation” with regard to some small or distinct group, meaning only the Jewish leaders or only his loyal disciples.

  And in 1999:

  *** w99 5/1 10-12 "These Things Must Take Place" ***
  So when, on the Mount of Olives, he again spoke of “this generation,” he evidently did not mean the entire race of Jews throughout history; nor did he mean his followers, even though they were “a chosen race.” (1 Peter 2:9) Neither was Jesus saying that “this generation ” is a period of time.
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  The Latest Lie

  by agonus in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  in a recent watchtower, the paradise earth doctrine and its "uniqueness" to jehovah's witnesses is discussed.

  i don't have a scan available at the moment but i may be able to obtain one.. .

  what i wanted to bring your attention to is the paragraph discussing the bible students' teaching of a "paradise earth" under pastor russell's leadership.

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  glenster writes:

  Rutherford's big 1917 figure, 411,840,000, nearly a third of the world's
  population at the time, considering the much smaller number of his followers and
  how soon he kept saying the worldly system would end, must refer to what those
  on Earth who followed Russell/Rutherford would grow to be eventually.

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  The earlier Watch Tower Society teaching was that the two heavenly classes (i.e. 144 000 ["Messiah class"] and the "Great Company") were being gathered simultaneously since 33 C.E. Rutherford anticipated ("prophecied") that the "Great Company" would ascend to heaven in 1921.

  Forty days after Christ's resurrection Hisascension occurred. This confirms the hope of

  the Church's glorification forty years (a year for a day) after the awakening of the sleeping saints

  in the Spring of 1878. The seven days before the Deluge may represent seven years, from 1914 to

  1921, in the midst of which "week of years" the last members of the Messiah pass beyond the

  veil. The Great Company class shall be cut off at its end— the fact that we see the first half of this

  week so distinctly marked would lead us to expect three and one-half years more of

  witnessing by the Great Company class; for it seems to be the Heavenly Father's way to

  accomplish His work by weeks and half weeks, from the very beginning of creation until now.

  The Finished Mystery, p. 64
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  When did Jehovah's Witnesses begin to consider their religion the one true religion?

  by garyneal in

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  2. beliefs

  yesterday, my wife and i was going for a walk in the neighborhood.

  she was carrying my niece and commenting on how heavy she is.

  i told her that apparently her sister has to carry her child, diaper bag, and her things to the bus stop every morning.

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  DOCTRINES MORE OR LESS IMPORTANT

  THERE are certain features of the doctrine of Christ which are fundamental and indispensable, and without which none would be recognized of the Lord as one of His followers. There are other features which would seem to be useful, helpful, blessed, but not fundamental--not essential to membership in the Body of Christ. The fundamentals have been enjoyed by good, saintly ones from the Day of Pentecost until now.

  We, the same class now, have the same fundamentals, and are permitted to have other privileges, truths, "meat in due season," for our strengthening. These latter are not necessarily essential to our membership in the Body of Christ; otherwise our forefathers who did not have them would not have been members of Christ, and there would have been no Christ Body for centuries.

  The fundamental theory of the Atonement is as follows:

  (1) All men--all of Adam's children--are sinners.

  (2) None can be reconciled to God without a Redeemer's sacrifice.

  (3) Jesus came into the world to be that Sacrifice-- and later to apply that Ransom-price for the sins of the world.

  (4) On the basis of faith in the Redeemer's work, the believer may consecrate himself to the Divine service, in acceptance of the Divine invitation, "Present your bodies a living sacrifice."

  (5) So doing, the believer may--up to the time of the completion of the Elect number--exercise full assurance of faith that his sacrifice will be accepted of the Father; and that he will receive a share of the anointing of the Holy Spirit--the begetting.

  (6) Such as meet these conditions are to be accepted as brethren in the highest sense of the term. This much would seem to have been always necessary, and more than this we believe is not necessary today. But if by reason of our favorable day we have more knowledge, we may also have corresponding trials, which our greater knowledge will offset.

  Our advice to the Lord's dear people everywhere is that they put no yoke upon each other, beyond the fundamentals specified above--that otherwise they stand free, and leave each other free, and fellowship and agree as much as they can with each other.

  Watch Tower, August 1913 (Reprints page 5284)

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  But no earthly organization can grant a passport to heavenly glory. The most bigoted sectarian (aside from the Romanist) will not claim, even, that membership in his sect will secure heavenly glory. All are forced to admit that the true Church is the one whose record is kept in heaven, and not on earth. They deceive the people by claiming that it is needful to come to Christ through them--needful to become members of some sectarian body in order to become members of "the body of Christ," the true Church. On the contrary, the Lord, while he has not refused any who came to him through sectarianism, and has turned no true seeker away empty, tells us that we need no such hindrances, but could much better have come to him direct. He cries, "Come unto me"; "take my yoke upon you, and learn of me"; "my yoke is easy and my burden is light, and ye shall find rest to your souls." Would that we had given heed to his voice sooner. We would have avoided many of the heavy burdens of sectism, many of its bogs of despair, many of its doubting castles, its vanity fairs, its lions of worldly-mindedness, etc.

  Thy Kingdom Come, p. 186,187