july 15, 2010 wt page 22, 23:.
would all anointed christians shine?.
in a sense, yes, for all christians would participate.
"The Governing Body as a whole considers adjusted explanations. (Acts 15:6)"
Hmmm. The scripture refers to the Apostles, yet the WTS states unequivocally that the Apostles have no successors: “ Apostolic Succession --Definition: The doctrine that the 12 apostles have successors to whom authority has been passed by divine appointment.... Not a Bible teaching.” ( Reasoning p.37 [ Italics in original])
the talk outlines for the summers conventions are only being printed over the next 2 weeks or so.. the finished outlines were ready in the middle of december 2009, however sources that i trust tell me that at least 5 of the talks were returned for last minute rewriting which is highly unusual.
this has held up the printing until now, a delay of over a month.
this is a fact!!.
I would love to hear them 'lose it' in writing these talks and really get nuts.
Haven't they already done that?
I think they're destroying the facade with their own hands...
i am reading the new 2010 yearbook at the moment.
on page 13 it says www.watchtower.org gets 70,000 hits a day, and that 24 million people visited the web site last year, a 33% increase since 2007. .
simon, how does that compare with this site?
Because they are used to getting away with lying, and it has served them so well in the past.
I wonder how many hits are from "apostates" seeking hypocrisy and falsehoods, which can be used against the Society.
below is my jw friend's "proof" that the wt is god's only organisation and mouthpiece on earth.
he has yet to reinforce his strange story by biblical text or the church fathers or any historical evidence.. please, suggest how i may respond to his assertion.
i believe that this is the fundamental doctrine of the 'borg' and the one on which wt credibility rests.. thank you.. .
(Reworked old post [23. Oct. 2006]:)
W 01. April 1986 QfR:Do we have Scriptural precedent for taking such a strict position? Indeed we do! Paul wrote about some in his day: "Their word will spread like gangrene. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of that number. These very men have deviated from the truth, saying that the resurrection has already occurred; and they are subverting the faith of some." (2 Timothy 2:17, 18; see also Matthew 18:6.) There is nothing to indicate that these men did not believe in God, in the Bible, in Jesus’ sacrifice. Yet, on this one basic point, what they were teaching as to the time of the resurrection, Paul rightly branded them as apostates, with whom faithful Christians would not fellowship.
This is most fascinating. When the F&DS was supposedly appointed in 1919, the Watch Tower Society was still teaching that the Resurrection had begun in 1878, a teaching the WTS now admits was false. According to the Watch Tower Society, the Lord thus appointed over all his belongings an organisation that (by its own published standard) would be 'rightly branded apostate, with whom faithful Christians would not fellowship'!!!
hi , i need some help to convince someone that feels the problems all lie with people in our congregaions that are 'imperfect' , but that the fds and the wt are wonderful .
i am doing this over the net , and have sent articles on the spanish bethel .. has anyone any suggestions on subjects / info to undermine their view that all is rosy in the borg ?.
leo 999.
(Recycled old post [23. Oct. 2006]:)
W 01. April 1986 QfR:Do we have Scriptural precedent for taking such a strict position? Indeed we do! Paul wrote about some in his day: "Their word will spread like gangrene. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of that number. These very men have deviated from the truth, saying that the resurrection has already occurred; and they are subverting the faith of some." (2 Timothy 2:17, 18; see also Matthew 18:6.) There is nothing to indicate that these men did not believe in God, in the Bible, in Jesus’ sacrifice. Yet, on this one basic point, what they were teaching as to the time of the resurrection, Paul rightly branded them as apostates, with whom faithful Christians would not fellowship.
This is most fascinating. When the F&DS was supposedly appointed in 1919, the Watch Tower Society was still teaching that the Resurrection had begun in 1878 -- a teaching not altered until 1927 -- and which teaching the WTS now rejects as false. Does it not bugger the imagination to believe the Lord appointed over all his belongings an organisation that (by its own published standard) would be 'rightly branded apostate, with whom faithful Christians would not fellowship'?
son.. comments.
comments.
ministry.. comments.
Thanks, Blondie.
"...we allow Bible principles to give us flexibility in dignifying fellow humans everywhere."
And, of course, we dignify them by viewing people unresponsive to the Watchtower Gospel as 'birdfood'...
"Honor your father and your mother in order that your days may prove long upon the ground that Jehovah your God is giv¬ing you." (Ex. 20:12)
Unless the father and/or mother are disfellowshipped...
zoiks inspired this thread when he mentioned this book elsewhere.. i have read other threads on this forum about it, but i always enjoy the fresh insight on here.. commentary on the letter of james was always my favorite book from wtbs, partly because i love the book of james, but also because it was one of the books that dealt with more practical christian living than constant wt doctrine.. i mentioned to a number of people that i loved that book, and got a few comments of "well, you know that book was written by an apostate.".
it didnt take me long to do a little math - that book came out i believe in 1979/1980, right around the time of the great purge.
how could someone write such an excellent book and then be branded an apostate just a few months later???.
I really liked both Commentary on the Letter of James and Choosing the Best Way of Life.
Incidentally, Choosing the Best Way of Life was written by Reinhard Lengtat, not Ed Dunlap.
in the april 15, 2010 wt study article that contains the new interpretation on the generation quagmire...hurgmm..hurgmm ...teaching.
there is a box titled are you keeping up with increased light?
one particular article sparked my interest, the one titled: in which courtyard does the great crowd serve?
The naos itself is specifically stated to be in Heaven in Rev. 11:19; 14:17; and 15:5. The "Great Crowd" is in the naos (en to nao) according to Rev. 7:15.
Even if the word naos could be construed as including the courtyards (though it does not), those same courtyards would be necessarily in Heaven -- emphatically NOT on Earth. The beauty of the cited scriptures is that they make an absolute definition of what the naos includes or does not include immaterial: the naos itself is in Heaven -- all of it.
Ergo, the "Great Crowd" serves in Heaven.
from jw.org, here is the new definition of the generation from the april 15, 2010 watchtower.. .
article: holy spirits role in the outworking of jehovahs purpose.
13 third, holy spirit is at work in bringing bible.
Oh, boy. Here we go again...
The "Anointed" were not in existence when the words were spoken (pre-Pentecost), and thus could scarcely be the "this generation" about which Jesus spoke... And, in fact, the WatchTower Society specifically precluded their current understanding in the "Question from Readers" back in November 1995:
*** w95 11/1 pp. 30-31 Questions From ReadersWhen Jesus used “generation” for the last time, he was on the Mount of Olives with four apostles. (Mark 13:3)
Those men, who were not yet anointed with spirit nor part of a Christian congregation, certainly did not constitute either a “generation” or a race of people.
And in 1997:
*** w97 6/1 28 Questions From Readers ***
Many scriptures confirm that Jesus did not use “generation” with regard to some small or distinct group, meaning only the Jewish leaders or only his loyal disciples.
And in 1999:
*** w99 5/1 10-12 "These Things Must Take Place" ***
So when, on the Mount of Olives, he again spoke of “this generation,” he evidently did not mean the entire race of Jews throughout history; nor did he mean his followers, even though they were “a chosen race.” (1 Peter 2:9) Neither was Jesus saying that “this generation ” is a period of time.
in a recent watchtower, the paradise earth doctrine and its "uniqueness" to jehovah's witnesses is discussed.
i don't have a scan available at the moment but i may be able to obtain one.. .
what i wanted to bring your attention to is the paragraph discussing the bible students' teaching of a "paradise earth" under pastor russell's leadership.
glenster writes:
Rutherford's big 1917 figure, 411,840,000, nearly a third of the world's
population at the time, considering the much smaller number of his followers and
how soon he kept saying the worldly system would end, must refer to what those
on Earth who followed Russell/Rutherford would grow to be eventually.
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The earlier Watch Tower Society teaching was that the two heavenly classes (i.e. 144 000 ["Messiah class"] and the "Great Company") were being gathered simultaneously since 33 C.E. Rutherford anticipated ("prophecied") that the "Great Company" would ascend to heaven in 1921.
Forty days after Christ's resurrection Hisascension occurred. This confirms the hope of
the Church's glorification forty years (a year for a day) after the awakening of the sleeping saints
in the Spring of 1878. The seven days before the Deluge may represent seven years, from 1914 to
1921, in the midst of which "week of years" the last members of the Messiah pass beyond the
veil. The Great Company class shall be cut off at its end— the fact that we see the first half of this
week so distinctly marked would lead us to expect three and one-half years more of
witnessing by the Great Company class; for it seems to be the Heavenly Father's way to
accomplish His work by weeks and half weeks, from the very beginning of creation until now.
The Finished Mystery, p. 64
