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  Best old books for exposing the 1874/1914 fraud?

  by Essan in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i'm looking for a couple of the society's old books, one just prior to 1914 the other in the 1920's (as late as possible), which would show what the society was actually saying about 1914 in the run up to that year and that they were still promoting 1874 as the year of christ's presence for many years after 1914.. .

  basically i'm looking for recommendations for two of their old books which would do the most damage to the modern jw claims about their past and show they could not have fulfilled prophesy or "qualified" for anything back then, as they claim.. .

  there must be a couple of books which are really dynamite, choc full of nonsense and failed predictions.

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  bennyk

  Use the 1912 edition of The Time is at Hand [Studies in the Scriptures, volume II] to prove that nothing predicted for 1914 occurred. (This edition also changes some of the dates from 1914 to 1915, thereby also further counteracting the famous The World article from August 1914...)

  The book Prophecy (1929) states that Jesus' Second Presence in 1874. Although it is later than The Harp of God (1921), I would give the nod to the latter because it discusses not only 1874, but also 1799 (as "beginning of the time of the end"), and in editions earlier than 1928 also declared C T Russell as "Faithful and Wise Servant"... Furthermore, boldly emblazoned on the cover are the words "proof conclusive that millions now living will never die" (pre-1928 editions).
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  Jehovah is awe inspiring!

  by Sour Grapes in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  a witless friend sent this to me yesterday.

  able to copy the picture however the email is interesting.

  and really shows the depth of their mentality.. sour grapes.

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  bennyk

  You only received word yesterday(?) This was posted 07. January 2008 on JWD...

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/experiences/150252/1/Did-you-know-that-NYC-cant-function-without-Bethels-Clock
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  Official position on Salvation

  by tiotuerto in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i became interested in jws about a year ago due to the favorable and believable answers to several questions that i had.

  however there were a couple of others that were never clearly answered and i have since discovered a noticable reluctance on the part of wt elders to discuss.

  perhaps there is someone out there that can set me straight on the official position of the organization on this particular point.. question: is it officially true that to have a chance at eternal life here on paradise earth one must be a (1) baptized and (2) official member of a congregation of the jehova's witnesses and that no others outside the jws can hope to attain salvation.. this seems to be the predominate assumption in most of the teachings i have so far encountered.

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  (Hope this helps):

  "Only Jehovah's Witnesses, those of the anointed remnant and the "great crowd," as a united organization under the protection of the Supreme Organizer, have any Scriptural hope of surviving the impending end of this doomed system dominated by Satan the Devil." Watchtower 01. Sep. 1989 p.19

  "Similarly, Jehovah is using only one organization today to accomplish his will. To receive everlasting life in the earthly Paradise we must identify that organization and serve God as part of it." Watchtower 15. Feb. 1983 p.12

  "During the final period of the 'ancient world' that perished in the Flood, Noah was a faithful 'preacher of righteousness.' (2 Peter 2:5) In these last days of the present system of things, Jehovah's people are making known God's righteous standards and are declaring good news about the possibility of surviving into the new world. (2 Peter 3:9-13) Just as Noah and his God-fearing family were preserved in the ark, survival of individuals today depends on their faith and their loyal association with the earthly part of Jehovah's universal organization." Watchtower 15. May 2006 p.22

  "But if we were to draw away from Jehovah's organization, there would be no place else to go for salvation and true joy." (Watchtower 15. Sep. p.22)
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  Apostasy and Df question

  by jam in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  speaking hypothetically, a elder can not except the logic on the.

  new understanding of the doctrine change (over lapping generation).. he voice his concern to his wife, she being a good jw , tell the elders.. the brother have not spoke to anyone in the cong.

  about his doubt.. the elders question him, he remains firm, he tell the brothers, i have.

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  bennyk

  The elders question him, he remains firm, he tell the Brothers, I have

  not question the society teaching in the past but this new change

  I can not except.

  When the Elders interrogate him regarding his concern(s), he will give reasons for not accepting the new teaching.

  His reasoning with the other Elders can be construed as attempting to "[spread] (stubbornly hold to and speak about) teachings contrary to Bible Truth as taught by Jehovah's Witnesses".
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  Mother-in-law sends some reasoning on wedding anniversaries vs birthdays...

  by garyneal in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  mother-in-law sends my wife a thank you card because she did something nice for her mom on their 33rd wedding anniversary.

  they went out to eat dinner, a cake was provided, and everyone had a good time.

  frankly, all that was needed was the candles and a song and it would be no different than a birthday party.

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  bennyk

  (Recycled old post [29.04.05]):

  If the celebration of birthdays is wrong BECAUSE in the scriptural accounts ONE person died at each of two such celebrations, would it not be forbidden to give (wedding) presents???

  (1 Kings 9:16NWT: "(Pharaoh the king of Egypt himself had come up and then captured Ge'zer and burned it with fire, and the Ca'naanites dwelling in the city he had killed. So he gave it as a parting gift to his daughter, the wife of Solomon.)")

  To which tijkmo commented:

  this is what the insight book had to say: "Just when this unidentified Pharaoh had conquered Gezer, which he now gave to his daughter as a farewell wedding gift, or dowry, is not stated." so its not as if wts explain that scripture any other way.
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  UN & Watchtower : link deleted....

  by yalbmert99 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  hi everyone, someone just made me notice that the pdf document on the u.n. website proving that the watchtower associated itself as ngo from 1991(demand) to 2001 has been deleted or is missing.

  http://www.un.org/dpi/ngosection/pdfs/watchtower.pdf i sent an email (very short since they don't allow more than 200 characters) to the un to inquire.

  i doubt that they'll respond.i suspect that the watchtower pressured the un to deleted that link.....

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  bennyk

  Thanks!

  (Saved to hard drive.)
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  UN & Watchtower : link deleted....

  by yalbmert99 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  hi everyone, someone just made me notice that the pdf document on the u.n. website proving that the watchtower associated itself as ngo from 1991(demand) to 2001 has been deleted or is missing.

  http://www.un.org/dpi/ngosection/pdfs/watchtower.pdf i sent an email (very short since they don't allow more than 200 characters) to the un to inquire.

  i doubt that they'll respond.i suspect that the watchtower pressured the un to deleted that link.....

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  bennyk

  Link deleted? Well, why not? After all, the United Nations is part of Satan's Organisation.

  And Satan, as "Father of the Lie", certainly would not want truth appearing on his website...
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  Feb. 15th WT - WT Society says DFed Ones are Lawless- Just Like Demons

  by flipper in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i would assume that some or a good number of us here as normal humans in this society - consider " lawless " actions to include murder , robbery, extortion, rape, child abuse, war , terrorism, etc.

  the wt society has their own definition of what's considered " lawless ".

  anything that's considered a disfellowshipping offense in the jehovah's witnesses is now considered " lawless ".

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  bennyk

  By cutting off contact with the disfellowshipped or dissassociated one, you are showing that you hate the attitudes and actions that led to that outcome.

  Except, of course, that because of the Watch Tower Society's secretive "star-chamber" judicial policies, you may not even know what 'attitudes and actions led to that outcome'...
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  2011 Yearbook - "Tracing All Things with Accuracy"

  by pirata in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  2011 yearbook - "tracing all things with accuracy", p.9-13.

  jesus said that the faithful slave would be discreet in giving the domestics "their food at the proper time.

  " christ thus indicated that those who dispense this "food" would be conscientious, prudent, and discerning in providing spiritual food for the household of faith.-matt.

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  bennyk

  Maybe before the Writing Department selectively quotes the famous 30. August 1914 World article in yet another publication, they will actually compare (bzw. contrast) its claims to what Russell had actually written in The Time is at Hand...
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  New Light

  by Spade in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i've noticed quite a few dissidents of jehovah's organization that have left with some fixation on jehovah's witnesses concept of new light.

  i really don't understand.

  the antiquity of religion may be historically educational, but not always personally illuminating.

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  Re:"DECEMBER, 1880. THE RESTORED DOMINION. Soon, probably by, possibly before, the fall of 1881, we shall be changed-- born of the spirit [of which we are now begotten] into the glorious likeness of our Head." Spade comments :

  That was written by AD Jones:

  So what? As editor and publisher of Zion's Watch Tower, Russell approved that statement and others like it -- but later stated:

  The WATCH TOWER never claimed that the body of Christ (congregation of Christ) will be changed to spiritual beings during this year. There is such a change do sometime. We have not attempted to say when, but have repeatedly said that it could not take place before the fall of 1881. -Zion's Watch Tower May 1881 p. 5-6

  His claim in May 1881 is untrue.