How did Jehovah feel about them? He did not bless them. They left the organization. (paragraph 10)
Sounds like he blessed them...
bennyk
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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 09-25-2011 WT Study (ENTER REST)
by blondie inhowever, love for god and for his.
our love for god and his dear son = is of no value unless we are part of the human/earthly organization, the wts.
how many scriptures are actually read and applied at a meeting?
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The Dog that did not bark: Jehovah's Witnesses' greatest mystery
by Terry in'the dog that didn't bark' is an expression from a sherlock holmes mystery.
it was an important clue that led to identifying the criminal.. it seems that the killer entered and left the estate grounds one night but without the guard dog barking an alarm at the intruder's presence as expected.. from this nonevent holmes reasoned that the dog must have known the killer and that clue led to solving the case.. .
jehovah's witnesses are "the dog that didn't bark.".
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Are people in congregations entitled to their own opinion? Or, not?
Russell stated he did not have an opinion.
Perhaps in 1896 he had no opinion.
Russell was editor and publisher of the Watch Tower. Russell's later silence spoke volumes. He let other people express his opinion for him.
At first I said, "This new view of justification is the only thing I take exception to," but soon discovered that you had erred (?) on the Covenants; next, the Sin-Offering doctrine was an insidious denial of the Ransom; next, it was Baptism--that was wrong, too; and of course you had worked your blasphemous (that is what I called it) doctrine into the Memorial service of our Lord's death. Soon those who opposed you were all right, and you were wrong. I got to believe that you had never been " That Servant , whom the Lord made master of all his goods"--that Servantwas a class; that most of those things you once had right, but you had changed. You see the condition my mind was in, and yet, I believe I was honest, and was loyal to the Lord in opposing what I thought was error. My heart was not at ease; the conflict was terrible, and I suffered greatly. And while I verily thought I was right in my course, I have prayed earnestly every day for guidance into the Truth, and into peace. I kept the Vow as best I could under such conditions. While I thought my faith was on a surer foundation than ever, I now know it was nearly gone. (Letter from Clarence Fowler, Watch Tower 01. July 1910. reprints p. 4645
At a recent business meeting it was unanimously voted "That Brother Charles T. Russell be officially recognized as ' That Servant,' to whom the Lord promised He would give all His storehouse of 'Present Truth,' if faithful, and that he serve as Pastor to the Ecclesia at __________, until the completion of the Age." We are pleased to accept the sermons and WATCH TOWER as your personal service to us. (Letter from M. L. Wolf, Watch Tower 01. November 1913 reprints p. 5346)
I praise God for raising you up, dear Brother, as " that Servant ." May He bless you still more, that you may give us the "meat in due season." I also thank the dear Lord that He brought me to this country before this awful war; and made me to realize "where are the dead," as all my people are being shot and I should have been in despair. (letter from "Your sister by his grace", Watch Tower, 15.April 1916 reprints p. 5888)
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The Dog that did not bark: Jehovah's Witnesses' greatest mystery
by Terry in'the dog that didn't bark' is an expression from a sherlock holmes mystery.
it was an important clue that led to identifying the criminal.. it seems that the killer entered and left the estate grounds one night but without the guard dog barking an alarm at the intruder's presence as expected.. from this nonevent holmes reasoned that the dog must have known the killer and that clue led to solving the case.. .
jehovah's witnesses are "the dog that didn't bark.".
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bennyk
The striking thing is that Rutherford, McMillan and Ambrose are the ONLY SOURCEs that Russell "privately admitted" to being the FDS!
True.
The JW's are stuck with a lie that Rutherford told to elevate Russell to cult status so that he could maintain the loyalty of the bible students.
However, I am not so certain that Rutherford lied about Russell's 'privately admitting he was the "Faithful and Wise Servant"'. When individuals whose letters published in the Watch Tower referred to Russell as "That Servant" (Matthew 24:46), he never corrected them in his published reply. If he really felt that it had been inappropriate to refer to him thus, he should have felt a moral obligation to state that. (argumentum e silentio)
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We can't let them get away with it: HAVING IT BOTH WAYS!
by Terry inwhat is the claim of the watchtower society as to the source of their authority to create public messages of dire warning?.
mouthpiece of god.. .
anointed remnant (faithful and discreet slave).
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"Like the apostles of Jesus Christ, they have at times had some wrong expectations."
Unlike the Apostles, they have made their various "wrong expectations" the focus of their public preaching for their entire existence. -
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The Governing Body has NEVER claimed to be inspired
by Alfred inthere was a recent thread here which covered the subject of the gb claiming to be spirit directed (and not actually inspired by the holy spirit).
by now, most of us are quite aware that this is just a play with words to excuse themselves whenever one of their false doctrines is debunked (by someone using the bible or their own publications).
but when you think of it, spirit-directed is actually more presumptuous than spirit-inspired.. that being said, id really like to draw attention to the fact that the wt continuously claims that the governing body of jehovahs witnesses has never claimed to be inspired by god (through his holy spirit).
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bennyk
The snippet from the Walsh trial transcript was from the cross-examination of Hayden Covington -- not Fred Franz.
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A few notes on September 15, 2011 Watchtower, fresh off the presses!
by sd-7 inseptember 15th, 2011 watchtower, page 28, paragraph 13:.
"if a human overseer in god's organization provides you with instructions that seem extremely detailed, you might at times feel frustrated.
jehovah, however, is a perfect overseer who delegates generously and trusts his servants.
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"The finish line is just ahead.What a pity it would be if we allowed ourselves to be burdened down with unnecessary weights that could impede us when we are so close to the end!"(p. 22)
"We are near the end of our race. The finish line is as good as in sight." (p. 24)
This could just as easily be found in a Zion's Watch Tower from the 1880's...
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A few notes on September 15, 2011 Watchtower, fresh off the presses!
by sd-7 inseptember 15th, 2011 watchtower, page 28, paragraph 13:.
"if a human overseer in god's organization provides you with instructions that seem extremely detailed, you might at times feel frustrated.
jehovah, however, is a perfect overseer who delegates generously and trusts his servants.
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"Jesus also urged his disciples to ‘keep on seeking first God’s righteousness.’ (Matt. 6:33) This means putting Jehovah’s standard of what is right and what is wrong ahead of human norms. ( Read Isaiah 55:8, 9. ) You may recall that in the past, a number of people were involved in growing tobacco or selling tobacco products, training others in warfare, or producing and selling weapons of war. After coming to a knowledge of the truth, most chose to change their employment and qualify for baptism." (p. 13)
Hypocrites! Anybody remember the "Rand Cam Scandal"?
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"Overlapping generation" explanation - TRANSCRIBED EXTRACT from Friday's talk (DC 2011-12)
by AnnOMaly ini thought this would be easier to examine if written down:.
god's kingdom will soon come.
so we know that god's kingdom will soon come.. .
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bennyk
TD writes regarding the Society's teaching from 1995-2008:
You get:
"Those contemporaneous with the sign who take no note of it will not be destroyed at Armageddon until the entire sign of the end has occurred"
--Which is a meaningless tautology.
Actually, it may be even more meaningless than that. I interpret it as: "When Jesus comes [soon!] to destroy the wicked, there will be some to destroy..."
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Best old books for exposing the 1874/1914 fraud?
by Essan ini'm looking for a couple of the society's old books, one just prior to 1914 the other in the 1920's (as late as possible), which would show what the society was actually saying about 1914 in the run up to that year and that they were still promoting 1874 as the year of christ's presence for many years after 1914.. .
basically i'm looking for recommendations for two of their old books which would do the most damage to the modern jw claims about their past and show they could not have fulfilled prophesy or "qualified" for anything back then, as they claim.. .
there must be a couple of books which are really dynamite, choc full of nonsense and failed predictions.
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bennyk
Any of the pre-1914 editions of The Time is at Hand will prove useful.
As for the World article... The Society has often referred to this article to establish their claim that the Society's message about 1914 had been correct. An example in the official history:
*** Jehovah’sWitnesses—ProclaimersofGod’sKingdom p.60***
“Look Outfor1914!”
When World War I broke out in 1914, “The World,” then a leading newspaper in New York City, stated in its magazine section: “The terrific war outbreak in Europe has fulfilled an extraordinary prophecy. . . . ‘Look out for 1914!’ has been the cry of the hundreds of travelling evangelists, who, representing this strange creed [associated with Russell], have gone up and down the country enunciating the doctrine that ‘the Kingdom of God is at hand.’”—“The World Magazine,” August 30, 1914.
The WT CD-ROM will include a dozen others. The following indicates that the Society's claim was based on The Time is at Hand:
*** The Watchtower 19553/15pp.173-174***
A typical public-press reaction to the situation was published August 30, 1914, by a leading New York city newspaper, TheWorld. “End of All Kingdoms in 1914” was the arresting headline of a long feature article in that journal’s Sunday magazine section (pages 4 and 17), from which we quote:
“According to the Calculations of Rev. Russell’s ‘International Bible Students,’ This Is the ‘Time of Trouble’ Spoken of by the Prophet Daniel, the Year 1914 Predicted in the Book ‘The Time Is at Hand,’of which Four Million Copies Have Been Sold, as the Date of the Downfall of the Kingdoms of Earth.
When using The Time is at Hand, be certain to look at pages 76-7; 98,99; 101; 140; 170; 245... Have fun!
You might also like to read the original World article:
http://wtarchiv.bplaced.net/en/other/1914_End_of_all_Kingdoms.pdf
(Thanks, Cabasilas and processor!)
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Best old books for exposing the 1874/1914 fraud?
by Essan ini'm looking for a couple of the society's old books, one just prior to 1914 the other in the 1920's (as late as possible), which would show what the society was actually saying about 1914 in the run up to that year and that they were still promoting 1874 as the year of christ's presence for many years after 1914.. .
basically i'm looking for recommendations for two of their old books which would do the most damage to the modern jw claims about their past and show they could not have fulfilled prophesy or "qualified" for anything back then, as they claim.. .
there must be a couple of books which are really dynamite, choc full of nonsense and failed predictions.
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Use the 1912 edition of The Time is at Hand [Studies in the Scriptures, volume II] to prove that nothing predicted for 1914 occurred. (This edition also changes some of the dates from 1914 to 1915, thereby also further counteracting the famous The World article from August 1914...)
The book Prophecy (1929) states that Jesus' Second Presence in 1874. Although it is later than The Harp of God (1921), I would give the nod to the latter because it discusses not only 1874, but also 1799 (as "beginning of the time of the end"), and in editions earlier than 1928 also declared C T Russell as "Faithful and Wise Servant"... Furthermore, boldly emblazoned on the cover are the words "proof conclusive that millions now living will never die" (pre-1928 editions).