"Do Not Be Contaminated By... --'The Wild Beast'"
Do they mean by affiliating with the United Nations Organisation as a "non-governmental organisation"? At least this a subject regarding which they have some knowledge...
bennyk
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Circuit and Special Day Assembly Programs 2010-2011
by blondie in2-day circuit assembly .
theme:.
"you are no part of the world" .
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bennyk
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Why Did God Commission Russell to Preach to People Who Would All Die Before Armageddon?
by neverendingjourney ini've posted this thought before, but i've yet to get a lot of feedback.
it's also not a point i see brought up very much on jwd, but it seems like a very simple, logical way of disproving witness doctrine/eschatology.. witnesses believe that the parable of the wheat and the weeds is having its fulfillment in our time.
that's to say that jehovah began to gather his people in these last days so that those rightly-disposed can survive armageddon.
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bennyk
"Maybe" God had Russell preach a lot of rubbish to prove to the world that Russell was a false prophet.
THE careful student will have observed that the period designated "The Time of the End" is very appropriately named, since not only does the Gospel age close in it, but in it, also, all prophecies relating to the close of this age terminate, reaching their fulfilments. The same class of readers will have noticed, too, the special importance of the last 40 of those 115 years (1874-1914), called "The End" or "Harvest." (Thy Kingdom Come, p.121)
We see no reason for changing the figures-- nor could we change them if we would. They are, we believe, God's dates, not ours. But bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble. (Watch Tower Reprints, p.1677)
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Did the first Christians worship Jesus?
by slimboyfat innew testament scholar james dunn has written a new book called did the first christians worship jesus?
the new testament evidence.
his answer to the question is a qualified no.. http://www.amazon.com/did-first-christians-worship-jesus/dp/0664231969/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=utf8&qid=1284146996&sr=1-1.
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bennyk
And Charles Taze Russell also prayed to Jesus.
But what is interesting is that the Society really simply does not honor Jesus much at all. (Even at his own Memorial.)
And that is precisely why Dubs think in terms of 'Jehovah and His Organisation' and pretty much ignore Jesus. The cardboard cut-out Jesus they know is clearly not viewed as the living Head of the Church. He is not their Mediator. He is not viewed as the 'One into whose hand the Father has given all things'. The Organisation is viewed as having received everything...
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Did the first Christians worship Jesus?
by slimboyfat innew testament scholar james dunn has written a new book called did the first christians worship jesus?
the new testament evidence.
his answer to the question is a qualified no.. http://www.amazon.com/did-first-christians-worship-jesus/dp/0664231969/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=utf8&qid=1284146996&sr=1-1.
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bennyk
debator may wish to give some consideration to the following:
"For the Father judges no one at all, but he has committed all the judging to the Son, in order that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He that does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him." (John 5: 22,23)
The Watch Tower Society does not really honor the Son very much at all.
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A question for "loyal servants of Jehovah"
by peacedog in"as loyal servants of jehovah, why would we even want to peek at the propaganda put out by these rejecters of jehovah's table who now verbally beat those who are helping us take in 'healthful words'?
" (wt 7/1/1994, p.12).
i really couldn't have asked the question any better myself... c'mon you self-proclaimed loyal servants of jehovah!
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bennyk
Quite right, old boy!
The Watch Tower Society has mastered the ability to speak out of both sides of their collective mouth:
We need to examine, not only what we personally
believe, but also what is taught by any religious
organization with which we may be associated. Are its
teachings in full harmony with God’s Word, or are they
based on the traditions of men? If we are lovers of the
truth, there is nothing to fear from such an examination.
(THE TRUTH that leads to ETERNAL LIFE, p. 13)
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Separating the Sheep from the Goats by Barbara Anderson
by Dogpatch inseparating the sheep from the goatsby barbara anderson.
on freeminds.org at: http://www.freeminds.org/blogs/musings-of-a-watchtower-insider/separating-the-sheep-from-the-goats.html.
(according to harry peloyan, c. t. russell, j. f. rutherford, and watchtower 1995).
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bennyk
Yes, the Watch Tower Society specifically blamed Almighty God for their incorrect interpretation (and for a false prophecy, as well):
Stirring up increasing interest in them, Jehovah caused to be preached from 1918 onward the startling public message “Millions Now Living Will Never Die,” and in 1923 he provided the interpretation of “the parable of the sheep and the goats.”
-- Watchtower 15. Nov. 1955, p. 698 § 36
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@ djeggnog
by bennyk in2:16), and sanctified (john 17:19; 1 cor.
7:25; 1 john 2:1), high priest (heb.
3:29; 4:7; titus 3:6,7; heb.
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bennyk
It was my growing familiarity with the older WTS publications which led me to conclude that the true God has nothing to do with the Watch Tower Society.
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@ djeggnog
by bennyk in2:16), and sanctified (john 17:19; 1 cor.
7:25; 1 john 2:1), high priest (heb.
3:29; 4:7; titus 3:6,7; heb.
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bennyk
Correction: The sentence should have read: "I am sorry if the word 'promise' in my opening post misled you. I proclaim these promises as a present possession, having already been fulfilled."
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@ djeggnog
by bennyk in2:16), and sanctified (john 17:19; 1 cor.
7:25; 1 john 2:1), high priest (heb.
3:29; 4:7; titus 3:6,7; heb.
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bennyk
djeggnog writes: "I read the quotes in your post, but what my reading of them told me is that you believe them to support your point of view. Your point of view seems to me to me -- and I could be wrong here, so please forgive me if I have totally understood it -- that the WTS is not being used by God today as His prophet. Isn't this really your point? If I am correct about this being your point in the main, then why do you claim that I have given you "no response" to the many quotes you provided in your post from various publications produced by the WTS? If you were to look at the big picture, responding to all that you have been saying here, including these quotes, is really all that I've been doing in this thread. For example, in your previous post, you objected to Jehovah's Witnesses being referred to as "prophets," even though that is exactly what all Jehovah's Witnesses are."
My response: in your post 38 (page one), you asked: "has the WTS ever indicated that its words (or edicts) were inspired or that it had been given the gift of prophecy so that it could make predictions about the future? Then how can it be said that the WTS has ever been a 'false prophet'?" It is for that reason that I provided quotes indicating the Society's spurious claims regarding God 'put[ting] his words in their mouths', and being 'behind all their preaching and educational work'. I am pleased that you acknowledge that they are "prophets" for the record of their writings proves them unequivocally "false prophets". After all, the Society itself aptly states: "How will Jehovah show that such clergy prophets are fakes? By not fulfilling what they announce to be “an utterance!” or what they presume to speak in his name. He does not back up their falsehood. “‘Here I am against the prophets of false dreams,’ is the utterance of Jehovah, ‘who relate them and cause my people to wander about [going astray] because of their falsehoods and because of their boasting.’ ‘But I myself did not send them or command them. So they will by no means benefit this people,’ is the utterance of Jehovah.” (Jer. 23:32) Too bad for the people!" (w79 9/1 pp. 29-30, §29 The Royal “Shepherd” of Bible Prophecy) Yes, too bad for those who are affiliated with the Watch Tower Society.
Additionally, you write: " Jehovah's Witnesses aren't just prophets that have been given a commission by Jesus to speak God's words to others, but we are ministers of the New Covenant kindly given by God to those who have the work of bearing witness to Jesus and in company with the faithful slave, God's anointed..." The Society denies your claim: "While the 'other sheep' would not be of the 'little flock,' they would be ministers of God, too, but not ministers of the new covenant." (Worldwide Security Under the "Prince of Peace", p.108) It appears that you are not especially conversant with the Society's teachings. Furthermore, you write: "we, Jesus' other sheep, who are serving alongside the remnant of that "little flock" in the earthly realm of God's House, giving direct worship to God, day and night, in the courtyards of God's Great Spiritual Temple, which is a holy place." The Scriptures place the "great crowd" in the naos, not in the courtyards (cf. Rev. 11:2 Gk).
I am in agreement with your statement: "those turning from the authority of Satan to do God's will have already received "forgiveness of sins" (Acts 26:18), those exercising faith in Jesus' ransom sacrifice had already had "forgiveness of sins" published to them through Jesus by us. (Acts 13:38; John 17:18, 20) In fact, @bennyk, everyone that puts faith in Jesus "gets forgiveness of sins through Jesus' name" at once (Acts 10:43)", but you have failed to see that the Society denies these precious promises for the "other sheep", whom they declare no part of the new covenant. ("Though he is not their legal Mediator, for they are not in the new covenant, he is their means of approaching Jehovah." [w89 8/15 pp. 30-31 Questions From Readers] ). You write: "Examine the scriptures and you will see that for anyone to preach a promise of forgiveness of sins to anyone is to be preaching a different gospel, for such a gospel is not scriptural." Exactly. I am sorry if the word "promise" in my opening post sentence you. I proclaim these promises as a present possession, having already been fulfilled. This is in contrast to what the Society teaches. Again, it appears that you are not especially conversant with the Society's teachings.
You also write: "the holy spirit has progressively given God's people a progressive understanding of His word today, so that as world events unfold, we have been blessed -- and only Jehovah's Witnesses -- to discern the fulfillment of prophecy that others cannot since God's organization is led by God's spirit, and not inspired by it..." "Progressively" is defined as: "continuing by successive steps; favoring, working for, or characterized by progress or improvement", but the Society's record does not show successive improvement when they continually prophesy things which do not come true, or replace one false teaching with a different false teaching. The Society's claim to be led by the holy spirit perhaps borders on blasphemy of said spirit.
You write: "Now you (and others here on this forum) may think it reasonable to judge Jehovah's Witnesses by things we may have understood to be true in the past, but we have since moved on to embrace God's progressive revelatory truth as we know it today according to our current understanding..." The Watch Tower Society invited us to "judge Jehovah's Witnesses by things [they] may have understood to be true in the past": viz. "Of course, it is easy to say that this group acts as a “prophet” of God. It is another thing to prove it. The only way that this can be done is to review the record. What does it show? " (w72 4/1 p. 197 ‘They Shall Know that a Prophet Was Among Them’) Moreover, "your current understanding" is still incorrect.
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The False Prophet Nathan?
by brotherdan inmy mom is addicted to the wts.
i've recently brought up the many false prophecies and she calls almost every week to show me new things that the society has said about false prophets and how they are not one.. the latest was the account where king david wanted to build god a temple.
he told nathan the prophet about his idea and nathan basically said, well god is with you, you should do it.
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bennyk
debator writes in post 283:
"I reiterate we have the Bible example of a PROPHET Nathan making a mistaken prediction in his own words and not getting condemned for it only corrected by God this shows that God knows the difference."
My response: Very good; Jehovah himself corrected the prophet that very night. ( "And it came about on that night that the word of Jehovah came to Nathan..." [2 Samuel 7:4]) Therefore, this is entirely unlike the history of the Society's proclamations. The prophet Nathan did not preach numerous incorrect statements repeatedly, over and over for decades on end, demanding that others accede to his beliefs and condemning those who could not. But that is what the Society's record shows that they have done.