THIS IS NOT A THREAT, IT IS A WAKE UP CALL. Start devising a new strategy.
My old strategy was simply "I'll never again be found in a Kingdom Hall."
Heretofore, it has worked flawlessly.
I think I'll just continue using it.
to onthewayout, 00dad, cedars and other reknowned faders.
reports have reached patterson that faders are much more dangerous than those disfellowshipped.
their reasons for fading are no longer new to the gb.
THIS IS NOT A THREAT, IT IS A WAKE UP CALL. Start devising a new strategy.
My old strategy was simply "I'll never again be found in a Kingdom Hall."
Heretofore, it has worked flawlessly.
I think I'll just continue using it.
saw some fairly interesting ideas on youtube which can be poorly summed as follows:.
there is no dimension of time ( or duration ) as we like to think of the 4th dimension.
there is merely the perception of it formed by the passage of the higher dimension through the lower.
This concept was suggested (implicitly) in the nineteenth century book:
Flatland: a romance of many dimensions by Edwin Abbott Abbott.
i know there's plenty.. one that comes to mind is the blood doctrine.
whole blood is bad, blood fractions may be ok but not all.....wtf?
?.
Having a vast world-wide publishing empire promulgate numerous false prophecies for over 130 years is God's chosen method of indicating whom he has appointed to speak exclusively for Him.
i'm wondering what to reply to someone who said the main message of the "truth" is the same.
that jehovah is god and he sent his only-begotten son to die for us,so that,we could have everlasting life on earth.. the rest of the changes don't really matter to them.
that witnesses are the only religion to teach this and the only ones preaching it.
[T]he main message of the "truth" is the same. That Jehovah is God and He sent His only-begotten son to die for us,so that,we could have everlasting life on earth.
The original "main message" taught by Russell was that all true Christians (both the 144 000 and the "great company" [crowd] ) would receive a heavenly reward; non-christians and athiests would be eligible for everlasting life on earth. Thus, the "main message" is not the same.
The rest of the changes don't really matter to them.
The other changes should matter. If one fails to accept the Watch Tower Society's current teachings (no matter what they may be), one is already no longer an "approved associate." And if one speaks against "the rest of the changes", one will be disfellowshiped per the "Questions from Readers" in the 01. April 1986 Watchtower.
think about this from a logical perspective.
you are the ceo of a large corporation.
during a general assembly to your stock holders and employees, a lone worker comes up to the podium, and in front of thousands of his co-workers and managers proudly tells the ceo that he bets all his company stock and dignity that he, the lowly worker can run the company better.
Or,
the lowly company XYZ worker, despite extensive and intensive "ass-busting", is proving he really isn't up to the task...
The bigger question would be: Would the CEO even take such a bet?
i've never read any, so i'd like to know everyone's opinion..
Not the "best", but still highly recommended:
Jehovah's Witnesses: Their Claims, Doctrinal Changes, and Prophetic Speculation. What Does the Record Show? by Edmond Gruss.
i love being a christian and i deeply respect the teachings of jesus and i firmly believe that it is through faith in him that we recieve eternal life and salvation.. but what about everyone else?
islam, hindu, buddhist, etc?.
even as a jw i never believed that salvation was exlusively for jw's, but where do all other sincere worshippers of other religions fit in?
Consider also 1 Timothy 2:5,6.
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus, who gave himself a corresponding ransom for all...
however, love for god and for his.
our love for god and his dear son = is of no value unless we are part of the human/earthly organization, the wts.
how many scriptures are actually read and applied at a meeting?
How did Jehovah feel about them? He did not bless them. They left the organization. (paragraph 10)
Sounds like he blessed them...
'the dog that didn't bark' is an expression from a sherlock holmes mystery.
it was an important clue that led to identifying the criminal.. it seems that the killer entered and left the estate grounds one night but without the guard dog barking an alarm at the intruder's presence as expected.. from this nonevent holmes reasoned that the dog must have known the killer and that clue led to solving the case.. .
jehovah's witnesses are "the dog that didn't bark.".
Are people in congregations entitled to their own opinion? Or, not?
Russell stated he did not have an opinion.
Perhaps in 1896 he had no opinion.
Russell was editor and publisher of the Watch Tower. Russell's later silence spoke volumes. He let other people express his opinion for him.
At first I said, "This new view of justification is the only thing I take exception to," but soon discovered that you had erred (?) on the Covenants; next, the Sin-Offering doctrine was an insidious denial of the Ransom; next, it was Baptism--that was wrong, too; and of course you had worked your blasphemous (that is what I called it) doctrine into the Memorial service of our Lord's death. Soon those who opposed you were all right, and you were wrong. I got to believe that you had never been " That Servant , whom the Lord made master of all his goods"--that Servantwas a class; that most of those things you once had right, but you had changed. You see the condition my mind was in, and yet, I believe I was honest, and was loyal to the Lord in opposing what I thought was error. My heart was not at ease; the conflict was terrible, and I suffered greatly. And while I verily thought I was right in my course, I have prayed earnestly every day for guidance into the Truth, and into peace. I kept the Vow as best I could under such conditions. While I thought my faith was on a surer foundation than ever, I now know it was nearly gone. (Letter from Clarence Fowler, Watch Tower 01. July 1910. reprints p. 4645
At a recent business meeting it was unanimously voted "That Brother Charles T. Russell be officially recognized as ' That Servant,' to whom the Lord promised He would give all His storehouse of 'Present Truth,' if faithful, and that he serve as Pastor to the Ecclesia at __________, until the completion of the Age." We are pleased to accept the sermons and WATCH TOWER as your personal service to us. (Letter from M. L. Wolf, Watch Tower 01. November 1913 reprints p. 5346)
I praise God for raising you up, dear Brother, as " that Servant ." May He bless you still more, that you may give us the "meat in due season." I also thank the dear Lord that He brought me to this country before this awful war; and made me to realize "where are the dead," as all my people are being shot and I should have been in despair. (letter from "Your sister by his grace", Watch Tower, 15.April 1916 reprints p. 5888)
'the dog that didn't bark' is an expression from a sherlock holmes mystery.
it was an important clue that led to identifying the criminal.. it seems that the killer entered and left the estate grounds one night but without the guard dog barking an alarm at the intruder's presence as expected.. from this nonevent holmes reasoned that the dog must have known the killer and that clue led to solving the case.. .
jehovah's witnesses are "the dog that didn't bark.".
The striking thing is that Rutherford, McMillan and Ambrose are the ONLY SOURCEs that Russell "privately admitted" to being the FDS!
True.
The JW's are stuck with a lie that Rutherford told to elevate Russell to cult status so that he could maintain the loyalty of the bible students.
However, I am not so certain that Rutherford lied about Russell's 'privately admitting he was the "Faithful and Wise Servant"'. When individuals whose letters published in the Watch Tower referred to Russell as "That Servant" (Matthew 24:46), he never corrected them in his published reply. If he really felt that it had been inappropriate to refer to him thus, he should have felt a moral obligation to state that. (argumentum e silentio)