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  Did the WTBTS really print this stuff?

  by Giordano in

  1. social
  2. entertainment

  i am not going to delve into the opinions and information provided by the good folks on this forum on matters of health and science in another post.

  instead i want to make clear that the wtbts provided a fountain of information on this subject.

  feel free to add any other misinformation you received.

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  Clayton J. Woodworth?
  
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  NBC News article: Jehovah's Witnesses 'use the Bible to victim-shame,' sex abuse survivor says

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/jehovah-s-witnesses-use-bible-victim-shame-sex-abuse-survivor-n916326jehovah's witnesses 'use the bible to victim-shame,' sex abuse survivor says.

  on the heels of a $35 million jury award to a woman who alleged the congregation mishandled her childhood abuse, other survivors say there's a pattern of cover-ups.

  by elizabeth chuck / oct.07.2018 .

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  And again: There is no scriptural requirement that there be two (or more) witnesses in order to REPORT the crime to the superior authorities.
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  More Info on the Montana Sex Abuse Decision

  by berrygerry in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  courtesy of a redditor:.

  https://missoulian.com/news/state-and-regional/montana-jehovah-s-witness-sex-abuse-case-underscores-church-s/article_fddc41e5-536b-5843-af30-200cc14892d8.html.

  montana jehovah's witness sex abuse case underscores church's worldwide reckoning.

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  But a senior official in the New York headquarters named Gary Breaux said in a morning worship video posted online that the church would never abandon the prerequisite for others to witness abuse before a religious judicial committee is formed to handle the matter.

  "Christ Jesus establishes that there has to be two witnesses," he said. "The scriptures are very clear.

  "We will never change our scriptural position on that subject."

  Question for Gary Breaux: Are you also claiming that Jesus Christ requires there be two (or more) witnesses for you to REPORT it to the superior authorities?
  

  
  
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  How does the "slave" turn 11 into 500?

  by The Fall Guy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  at matthew 28:16, the alleged "faithful slave" changes the number of people whom jesus invites, from 11 to over 500 - in order to "prove" that men, women, and children were commanded to preach.*.

  3 - “jesus’ 11 faithful apostles...went to a mountain in galilee to meet the resurrected christ!....“upward of five hundred brothers” may have been present on that occasion.” (or may not!).

  other disciples are there too, about 500 of them,.

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  "... and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve. After that he appeared to upward of five hundred brothers at one time..." (1 Cor.15,5.6)

  That's where they find the reference to "500"; but as waton stated, there is no indication that they had a "service meeting".
  
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  Why Do People Oppose Jehovah's Witnesses?

  by BlackSpirit in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  jesus christ, the son of the most high god, jehovah has this to say: "if the world hates you, you know that it has hated me before it hated you.

  if you were part of the world, the world would be fond of what is its own.

  now because you are no part of the world, but i have chosen you out of the world, for this reason the world hates you.

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  "For I am convinced that neither death nor life nor angels nor governments nor things now here nor things to come nor powers nor height nor depth nor any other creation will be able to separate us from God’s love that is in Christ Jesus our Lord." - Romans 8:38,39

  The quoted Scripture explains why no Christian would fear being disfellowshipped for "apostasy against the Organisation".

  The reason I rejected the Watch Tower Society was the numerous false prophecies and the repeated lies they promulgated regarding the Watch Tower Society's history. (Cf.1 John 2:21)
  
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  Robert H. COUNTESS and John 1:1 in the NWT

  by Wonderment in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  robert h. countess and john 1:1 in the nwt, part iirobert h. countess made the case in his book that the nwt ‘formulated their own principle’ on the article.

  under summary and conclusions, he stated: “chapter four’s conclusions regarding the handling of [theós] indicated that nwt’s translators poorly understood the greek article, and that their principle [theós]=‘a god,’ [ho theós]= ‘god’ is not legitimate.” (p. 92) is countess conclusion correct?this is what the nwt actually said after observing that both moffatt and goodspeed rendered john 1:1c in their translations as “divine.” “careful translators recognize that the articular construction of the noun points to an identity, a personality, whereas an anarthrous contruction points to a quality about someone.” in making this statement, the nw translators also had in mind the grammar by dana & mantey, in which they stated: “when identity is prominent, we find the article; and when quality or character is stressed, the construction is anarthrous [without the article].” (p. 138) also: “there are no ‘rules’ for the use of the article in greek, but there is a fundamental principle underlying its significance – as we have seen in the foregoing section – and this gives rise to a normal usage.” (ibid, p. 141) nowhere did the nwt ever affirmed that this meant [theós] without the article is always equivalent to = ‘a god,’ and [ho theós, with the article is always to be understood as = ‘god.’ even the wts would have to agree with countess that such principle is “not legitimate.” colwell first published his book in 1982, and by then the watchtower had made their position clear enough.

  in 1975 the wt wrote: “this does not mean, however, that every time an anarthrous noun occurs in the greek text it should appear in english with the indefinite article.

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  John 15:1b would appear to violate Colwell's "rule"...
  
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  Struggling to Live a Lie

  by Addison0998 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it’s been very difficult, much more than i first anticipated to live a lie, (be pimo and a regular active member) i still live with my parents but i plan on moving out at the end of the year, so i really need to keep it together.

  but i think people are starting to get suspicious that something is up.

  i’ve stopped commenting, going on service all the time, talking at the door, and occasionally voicing something, such as a question that no one has a good answer for, that makes people think, but ahah, thinking is dangerous and wrong so that is suspicious of course.

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  Addison0998,

  The Elders disrespected you, removed your "privileges", and destroyed your morale. They stumbled you.

  That is your "out".
  
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  advice please/data protection

  by Phoebe in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have just received an email from an elder's wife regarding the new data protection laws.

  between the lines it sounds like she has been asked to contact me.. she says they 'don't want to leave me out' so they want me to fill out the form as 'i'm still part of the congregation'.

  also, my blood card needs updating, apparently.. the elder in charge will be in contact.. obviously, i'm not doing either, but what do i do?

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  Schwups! You'd really like to accommodate their wishes, but your husband (as your scriptural head) has forbidden you to do so...
  
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  Judge Orders Jehovah's Witnesses to turn over Internal Documents re: Childhood Sexual Abuse

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  https://nixlaw.com/news/judge-orders-jehovahs-witnesses-to-turn-over-internal-documents-related-to-childhood-sexual-abuse/.

  judge orders jehovah’s witnesses to turn over internal documents related to childhood sexual abuse.

  april 12, 2018. .

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  "[T]he Jehovah’s Witnesses have refused to produce documents related to their internal handling of reports of sexual abuse and related investigations and disciplinary actions claiming that the information is protected by the clergy-penitent privilege and the First Amendment to the United States Constitution.

  Through briefing to the court, NPR convinced the Judge that Defendants’ privilege claims were unsupported and improper under the law."

  How can the Watch Tower Society claim "clergy-penitent privilege" when they proudly proclaim in their literature that they have no clergy???
  

  
  
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  Lies from the watchtower

  by StephaneLaliberte in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i am interested in getting a list of lies that the watchtower has said or wrote in the past that could actually be proven to be as such, or, for the very least, deliberately misleading.

  1. in a morning worship lecture in 2015, stephen lett said .

  "rejecting false stories designed to separate us from jehovah's organization.

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  The older WTS publications to be contrasted with the more recent claims:

  "The time of the Lord’s second presence dates from 1874, as above stated." --The Harp of God, p. 231

  "The Scriptural proof is that the second presence of the Lord Jesus Christ began in 1874 A.D."-- Prophecy (1929), p.65

  "In this chapter we present the Bible evidence proving that the full end of the times of the Gentiles, i.e., the full end of their lease of dominion, will be reached in A.D. 1914; and that that date will be the farthest limit of the rule of imperfect men. And be it observed, that if this is shown to be a fact firmly established by the Scriptures, it will prove:

  Firstly, That at that date the Kingdom of God, for which our Lord taught us to pray, saying, "Thy Kingdom come," will obtain full universal control, and that it will then shortly be"set up," or firmly established, in the earth, on the ruins of present institutions.

  Secondly, It will prove that he whose right it is thus to take the dominion will then be present as earth's new

  Ruler; and not only so, but it will also prove that he will be present for a considerable period before that date; because the overthrow of these Gentile governments is directly caused by his dashing them to pieces as a potter's vessel (Psa. 2:9; Rev. 2:27), and establishing in their stead his own righteous government.

  Thirdly, It will prove that some time before the end of A.D. 1914 the last member of the divinely recognized Church of Christ, the "royal priesthood," "the body of Christ," will be glorified with the Head; because every member is to reign with Christ, being a joint-heir with him of the Kingdom, and it cannot be fully "set up" without every member.

  Fourthly, It will prove that from that time forward Jerusalem shall no longer be trodden down of the Gentiles, but shall arise from the dust of divine disfavor, to honor; because the "Times of the Gentiles" will be fulfilled or completed.

  Fifthly, It will prove that by that date, or sooner, Israel's blindness will begin to be turned away; because their "blindness in part" was to continue only "until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in" (Rom. 11:25), or, in other words, until the full number from among the Gentiles, who are to be members of the body or bride of Christ, would be fully selected.

  Sixthly, It will prove that the great "time of trouble such as never was since there was a nation," will reach its culmination in a world-wide reign of anarchy; and then men will learn to be still, and to know that Jehovah is God and that he will be exalted in the earth. (Psa. 46:10) The condition of things spoken of in symbolic language as raging waves of the sea, melting earth, falling mountains and burning heavens will then pass away, and the "new heavens and new earth" with their peaceful blessings will begin to be recognized by trouble-tossed humanity. But the Lord's Anointed and his rightful and righteous authority will first be recognized by a company of God's children while passing through the great tribulation--the class represented by m and t on the Chart of the Ages (see also pages 235 to 239, Vol. I); afterward, just at its close, by fleshly Israel; and ultimately by mankind in general.

  Seventhly, It will prove that before that date God's Kingdom, organized in power, will be in the earth and then smite and crush the Gentile image (Dan. 2:34)--and fully consume the power of these kings. Its own power and dominion will be established as fast as by its varied influences and agencies it crushes and scatters the "powers that be"--civil and ecclesiastical--iron and clay." --The Time is at Hand (1889), pp. 76-78.

  "Be not surprised, then, when in subsequent chapters we present proofs that the setting up of the Kingdom of God is already begun, that it is pointed out in prophecy as due to begin the exercise of power in A.D. 1878, and that the "battle of the great day of God Almighty" (Rev. 16:14), which will end in A.D. 1915, with the complete overthrow of earth's present rulership, is already commenced." -- The Time is at Hand (1912 edition), p. 101 § 1

  "The Watch Tower, and its companion publications of the Society, for forty years emphasized the fact that 1914 would witness the establishment of God’s kingdom and the complete glorification of the church. During that period of forty years God’s people on earlh were carrying on a witness work, which work was foreshadowed by Elijah and John the Baptist. All of the Lord’s people looked forward to 1914 with joyful expectation. When that time came and passed there was much disappointment, chagrin and mourning, and the Lord’s people were greatly in reproach. They were ridiculed by the clergy and their allies in particular, and pointed to with scorn, because they had said so much about 1914, and what would come to pass, and their ‘prophecies’ had not been fulfllled.

  One wearing sackcloth usually puts it on himself. God’s people on earth, after the reproach that came upon them following 1914, put sackcloth upon themselves as an evidence of mourning. (Lam. 2 : 10) This is proven by what appeared in The Watch Tower." -- Light, Volume I, p.194.

  "The campaign is briefly, yet graphically, described in the prophecy, verses 40 to 44; and being completed in 1799, marks, according to the Prophet’s own words, the beginning of the “time of the end”." --The Harp of God, p.229

  "Twelve-hundred sixty years from A. D. 539 brings us to 1799-another proof that 1799 definitely marks the beginning of “the time of the end”." --The Harp of God, p. 230

  "There are two important dates here that we must not confuse, but clearly differentiate, namely, the beginning of “the time of the end” and of “the presence of the Lord”. “The time of the end” embraces a period from A. D. 1799, as above indicated, to the time of the complete overthrow of Satan’s empire and the establishment of the kingdom of the Messiah. The time of the Lord’s second presence dates from 1874, as above stated. The latter period is within the first named, of course, and at the latter part of the period known as “the time of the end”." --The Harp of God, p. 231

  "From and shortly after 1799, the date of the beginning of “‘the time of the end”, we should expect to find an increase of knowledge, particularly with reference to the Bible." --The Harp of God, p.232

  "This great increase of knowledge and the tremendous running to and fro of the people in various parts of the earth without question is a fulfillment of the prophecy testifying as to “the time of the end”. These physical facts cannot be disputed and are sufficient to convince any reasonable mind that we have been in “the time of the end” since 1799." --The Harp of God, p.234