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  Introducing myself

  by skyking in

  1. social
  2. family

  i was raised a jw, third generation.

  grampa was a congregation servant and then elder, my dad was an elder for years.

  i made it up the ranks fast, you were not anybody if you did not become an elder, i was appointed at an early age.

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  schne_belly

  WELCOME FROM WISCONSIN!

  Look forward to hearing more from you!
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  Labor Day Weekend.....Plans?

  by xjwms in

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  i am not a fan of labor day weekend.. it just feels like summer and the warm temps are going to fade...although it will be nice for a-while.. and i don't like getting older.. i am glad family invited us to play cards and hav-a cook-out,...ya yes steaks on the grill.. anything special going on with any of you?

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  MUMSY!!!!! Please keep me posted when Tree of Woe is playing in the area. I would have loved to come see them, but have made plans already for tonight!!!! have fun!!!!

  We are going shopping tomorrow morning. Then my hubby is having a high school reunion, in the eveing we are hitting fair here in town. Sunday and Monday we hope to go boating/fishing. Then a cook out at my in laws Monday evening.

  I don't look forward to Labor Day weekend...it does seem like summer is officially over ! However we'll make the most of it!

  Have a safe weekend everyone....especailly those traveling!
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  Donate for worldwide work- did you ask ?

  by sspo in

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  it was much easier for me when we used to charge for literature than ask the householder if they wanted to contribute to the worldwide work.i was too embarassed.

  that's why i just gave the literature away and not put them on the spot.. the witnesses that did ask the householder to contribute would usually never get a donation.. what was your experience?

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  No, I didn't ask.....the main reason was because I rarely went door to door. LOL!

  I would go " out in service" but didn't really have my own calls or bothered to find any. I was just along for the ride.

  ( Schne- of the finally stopped beating myself up for that class)
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  HI

  by youcanhaveago in

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  after years of lurking - i'm on.. am i doing right i don't know.. confused ?

  - yes i am..

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  There appears to be a lot of bitterness on here and I don't want that.

  Non of us WANT bitterness. However many of the things all of us have experienced while being involved with this religion, makes us bitter. It's the early stage of the healing process. We are all at different points in this process, but we eventually move on, and that is what this board is here to help with.

  I too love God and Jesus. You will meet many with different attitudes regarding this, but all in all we respect each other, even if their beliefs differ from ours.
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  Could you or would you ever....

  by beautifulisfree in

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  go back to the kingdumb hall??

  even for someones wedding or a loved ones funeral?

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  Hummm....good question, one that I hope I am never confronted with.

  I guess for a wedding....no. Thank goodness my only relatives that are stilI IN are already married and I was able to share that special day with them.

  For a funeral. I would only bother if it was a relative. I would hope something more would be held after or before at a funeral home so I could pay my last respects there instead of having to do so at the KH. It would make the situation that much harder if bombarded with witnoids.
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  HI

  by youcanhaveago in

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  after years of lurking - i'm on.. am i doing right i don't know.. confused ?

  - yes i am..

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  schne_belly

  WELCOME!!! Glad to see that you are posting.
  I look forward to hearing more from you. Hopefully many of us here can help you during this confusing time!
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  I've been invited to the convention

  by 2112 in

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  ok, i've been out for 15 yrs.

  my wife is still in and very zelous.

  she is really begging me to go with her this sunday.

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  schne_belly

  why do you need the advice of strangers on the internet

  hmmm. Jessi1023

  Aren't you a stranger on the internet too???
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  Positive discussions only for JW's in service

  by moshe in

  1. watchtower
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  i had the opportunity to talk to two jw's in service today.

  they were working a neigborhood that i had a job in.

  i really tried to get a good discussion going , but they made it hard.

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  Ohhhh. This is the usual response from my brother-in-law.

  No matter what you say - it is considered negative. I can quote from the bible, and he says its just me being negative.

  Granted, I did have "negative" things to say when leaving - I didn't leave because of all the positivity!!!

  Tell them to read 1 Peter 3:15 - ask them why they are refusing to defend their beliefs?
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  Insurance news letter from January 2004 re:hiring JW's

  by schne_belly in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  i hope this is ok to post this news article.

  its an insurance/news letter that i purchased online.

  i am thinking of distributing to local hospital human resource departments to inform them of their need to ask questions when hiring people with religious views that may affect their work.

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  I hope this is ok to post this news article. Its an insurance/news letter that I purchased online. I am thinking of distributing to local hospital Human Resource departments to inform them of their need to ask questions when hiring people with religious views that may affect their work.

  Clash of religion, privacy creates difficult exposure.(News)

  Business Insurance Jan 5 , 2004

  Byline: MICHAEL BRADFORD
  
  When an employee's religious beliefs clash with an employer's privacy rules, the temptation to tattle can sometimes be overwhelming.
  
  As a result, employers are left with a hard-to-handle exposure: the possibility that a devout employee will break privacy regulations in the name of a greater good.
  
  Dr. Gerald L. Bullock, who practiced medicine in Denison, Texas, in the 1980s, said he was stunned when a bookkeeper at his office released patient information to her church elders. As a Jehovah's Witness, the woman admitted that she was following what she perceived as her obligation to her church to report on a fellow church member's perceived sinful behavior, the doctor explained.
  
  The patient had been treated by Dr. Bullock for a sexually transmitted disease. The Sunday after his employee released that information to church elders, the patient was expelled from the church, he said, and told not to communicate with friends and relatives in the church. "It had a major, major impact on her life,'' Dr. Bullock said.
  
  The patient threatened to sue. Dr. Bullock's attorney advised the physician to immediately fire the bookkeeper and then "call this lady and do whatever she asks because you've got no defense,'' the doctor recalled.
  
  After the firing and an apology, the lawsuit threat was withdrawn.
  
  While such privacy breaches by Jehovah's Witnesses are not frequent, "it does happen,'' according to Gerald Bergman, a former member of the society who has written extensively on the church's practices. He teaches biology and chemistry at Northwest State Community College in Archbold, Ohio.
  
  "Their responsibility is to the church, not to the employer,'' Mr. Bergman said of the approximately 1 million Jehovah's Witnesses in the United States. "The employer is secular, and, therefore, second.''
  
  Such privacy breaches, of course, could be committed by anyone who feels morally obligated to do so, noted George Head, director emeritus of the Insurance Institute of America in Malvern, Pa. "You've got to be careful not to pick on just Jehovah's Witnesses,'' he said.
  
  And no matter why someone feels obligated to release private information, the consequences could be dramatic for the entity that was responsible for that data.
  
  "The ramifications of this are horrendous,'' said Catherine H. Gates, senior training specialist with Montgomery Insurance Co. in Sandy Spring, Md.
  
  Ms. Gates, who teaches ethics workshops for Montgomery's agents, said, "Think of the damage if an insurance company had a lawsuit against them for the release of private information. Whether it was successful or not, they are going to lose their clients.''
  
  Even though it seems obvious that "the right thing to do is keep your mouth shut and the wrong thing to do is share the information with others,'' Ms. Gates said it's not hard to see the ethical dilemma for someone who would want to be loyal to a church as well as his or her employer.
  
  For others, though, the dilemma is not so clear.
  
  "It is definitely not appropriate to release (private information) no matter what the outside religious obligation is,'' said Sanford M. Bragman, Dallas-based vp, risk management at Tenet Healthcare Corp.
  
  The Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses, the body that directs church affairs, says there is no policy forcing members to report sinful acts or divulge private information. That choice is up to members, according to Phillip Brumley, general counsel for the Brooklyn, N.Y.-based group.
  
  "They should study the scriptures, and what they do is up to them,'' said Mr. Brumley. If there is a conflict, he said, a member should "think that through and decide what to do.''
  
  A 1987 article in the church's Watchtower magazine, which the church says is its most recent on the subject, advises members to consider the ramifications before taking any oath that would put them in conflict with biblical requirements. Doctors' offices, hospitals and law firms are businesses where privacy problems could arise, the article states. "We cannot ignore Caesar's law or the seriousness of an oath, but Jehovah's law is supreme,'' it reads.
  
  The article further states that if a "Christian feels, after prayerful consideration, that he is facing a situation where the law of God required him to report what he knew despite the demands of lesser authorities, then that is a responsibility he accepts before Jehovah.''
  
  It is an employee's promise, though, that appears to be an employer's only protection against the release of private information on moral grounds.
  
  "Even if you have everybody sign something, it isn't going to stop the behavior'' if a zealous employee feels obligated to release information, Ms. Gates noted. "The only thing it can do is keep the employer from being held liable,'' she said.
  
  Dr. Bullock said he now hires only workers who make such promises, and, when interviewing, wants to know whether there is "anything about you that would cause you to tell on a patient,'' he noted. If so, the applicant isn't hired.
  
  Nancy Hacking, director of safety and risk management at Concord Hospital in Concord, N.H., said hospital employees each year sign a confidentiality agreement stating that they will not release confidential information. Workers who violate the agreement, she said, "are subject to termination.''
  
  Apart from educating employees on what information is private, the hospital also runs "audit trails'' on its electronic systems to keep tabs on who accesses such information, Ms. Hacking said.
  
  At Tenet, ongoing training, much of it online, keeps employees aware of what information should be kept private, according to Mr. Bragman. The training covers regulations contained in the Health Insurance Portability & Accountability Act that govern privacy, he said.
  
  Adam G. Linett, associate general counsel with the Jehovah's Witnesses, said employers shouldn't fear HIPAA penalties for unauthorized disclosures because sanctions in the act are aimed at employees.
  
  And, Mr. Linett said, he "can't think of a single case where this has happened and resulted in a lawsuit.'' COPYRIGHT 2004 Crain Communications, Inc.
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  Instead of going to the assembly.....

  by Dawn in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  last year i seriously thought of going to the summer district convention for a day or two just to listen to the information once again now that i've been out so long.

  i thought it would be interesting to hear it "as an outsider" - but i just could not make myself go.

  i found too many other things that i would much rather spend my time at during the summer months.. so i thought it would be fun to list a few of the things i have actually done now instead of going to assemblies, meetings, or field service:boating/water skiingfishingcampingstudy dance (i danced in my first public performance this past summer!

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  I now enjoy the fact that I can love life and finally love MYSELF! That is the biggest bonus!!!!
  
  Instead of being dragged into "the second school" on Thursday nights, to be criticized for my attire, or so my husband can be downgraded for voicing his opinion we spend time at home together , or with friends and family. A much better way to spend my time than being told I'm not good enough.