Something I wonder about is this passage from 1 Cor.11:26 "For as often as YOU eat this loaf and drink this cup, YOU keep proclaiming the death of the Lord, until he arrives." If the society believes he arrived in 1914 why are they still having a memorial? seek2find
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I've always wondered something about the Memorial
by heybaby ini wondered this even when i was a gung-ho jw: .
where in the bible do jws find the format for how the memorial should be celebrated by the "other sheep?
" i just don't see anywhere in the bible where it says that those not partaking should pass bread and wine.
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District convention 1974. Sat beside her by chance. seek2find
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Is this another double standard?
by seek2find inyesterday my wife left the watchtower out for me to read the lesson which i still do to show that i'm not close minded.
at the end of the article, there was another small article about gods name.
(an mp3 of the article can be found here http://www.jw.org/index.html?option=qryqzrqvnznt) in this article it speaks of a catholic cardinal who gave a sermon where he used the latin spelling of the divine name and said that it was definitely gods name.
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Seeking help, You ask if my wife will read anything I give her. No way, I don't even try. Double standard with Cheese? Well, I think so. seek2find
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Jehovah's Witnessees and the Truth vs the Lie
by AllTimeJeff inthere are several places on the internet where the hypocrisy of jehovah's witnesses is on full display.
what i am about to write is not new, but it is on my mind, so i thought i would write about it.
(disclaimer, i am an agnostic writing this, using the bible against jw lies.
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Good post Jeff. This reminds me of an illustration I seen in the one of the publications a while back and the caption below the picture was about studying the Bible. But in the photo both persons were holding the Bible teach book in their hands and their bibles were laying on the table. The photo seemed (In my apostate mind at least) to be putting the society's publications ahead of the Bible itself. It got me to thinking how many different study books they have had just in my lifetime. "The Truth" book, The "Live forever" book, the "Knowledge" book and now the "Bible Teach" book. And yet the Bible has not changed during that time. Only their interpretation of it. seek2find
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Is this another double standard?
by seek2find inyesterday my wife left the watchtower out for me to read the lesson which i still do to show that i'm not close minded.
at the end of the article, there was another small article about gods name.
(an mp3 of the article can be found here http://www.jw.org/index.html?option=qryqzrqvnznt) in this article it speaks of a catholic cardinal who gave a sermon where he used the latin spelling of the divine name and said that it was definitely gods name.
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Yesterday My wife left the watchtower out for me to read the lesson which I still do to show that I'm not close minded. At the end of the article, there was another small article about Gods name. (An mp3 of the article can be found here http://www.jw.org/index.html?option=QrYQZRQVNZNT) In this article it speaks of a Catholic cardinal who gave a sermon where he used the Latin spelling of the divine name and said that it was definitely Gods name. A footnote also says that the sermon was in support of the trinity. I don't understand the logic, or lack thereof, using a Catholic reference to support anything when according to the society they are the ring leaders of "Apostate Christendom" On one hand they say they are reputable because they supported the divine name, but on the other they are apostate. Where is the consistency???? seek2find
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Could they be the same?
by seek2find ini recently downloaded a version of the message bible in mp3 format and i noticed that the voice sounds a lot like one of the voices on the watchtower magazine mp3s.
could they possibly be the same person?
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NN The Nolan voice is the one I'm thinking of, but I don't have a file to link to of the watchtower recordings. I'm going by memory. I used to listen to the cassette tapes and this voice sounded similar to one of the readers that read the study articles. I'll see if I can locate an example. I doubt that they're the same, surely the Watchtower has it's own inside readers. seek2find
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Born again JW's?
by free2beme ini am sorry, but i just find it so hard to see a bunch of former witnesses doing the whole born again thing.
acting in a way that is just trading one line of thought, for another.
basically, one time you said you were waiting for the "new system" and now you pulled that thought out and replaced it with the "waiting for heaven" comment.
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I think the term "Born again" carries different meanings to different people. The way we were taught as witnesses was that "Born again Christians" were all glassy eyed snake handlers speaking in tongues and "being slain in the spirit" maniacs. Maybe a rare few who claim to be born again fit this description. But these cases are rare. I think the common thread of those who are really Born again is that they have reached the point in their lives where they realize that they can't do things on their own anymore and submit to Christ leadership and living by power of the Holy Spirit. A new life begins and a new direction is taken. seek2find
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RAY FRANZ ACCUSED OF LYING
by whereami inis there any way to get ray to explain this?.
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http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-witness/te2vnohmnl9apquuv.
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I think it's possible that Peter was saying that, his experience was different because he voluntarily left rather than be disfellowshipped and that being the case, he has a different viewpoint than he would have otherwise. Regardless, I think this person is grasping for any little thing he or she can to discredit Ray. What I'd really like to know is how are they going to defend the Society's position on issues that Ray exposed. For instance how about the registration of the Organization in Mexico as a "Cultural Organization" to get around the property ownership laws. Doing so greatly restricted the witnesses use of the Bible and their way of worship. Isn't that called compromise? How many times were we as witnesses instructed to not compromise? I remember not standing for the national anthem because it would be a compromise. seek2find
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Born again JW's?
by free2beme ini am sorry, but i just find it so hard to see a bunch of former witnesses doing the whole born again thing.
acting in a way that is just trading one line of thought, for another.
basically, one time you said you were waiting for the "new system" and now you pulled that thought out and replaced it with the "waiting for heaven" comment.
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A scripture for sspo: John 12:39,40 (NIV) "For this reason they could not believe, because, as Isaiah says elsewhere: "He has blinded their eyes and deadened their hearts, so they can neither see with their eyes, nor understand with their hearts, nor turn--and I would heal them."
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Born again JW's?
by free2beme ini am sorry, but i just find it so hard to see a bunch of former witnesses doing the whole born again thing.
acting in a way that is just trading one line of thought, for another.
basically, one time you said you were waiting for the "new system" and now you pulled that thought out and replaced it with the "waiting for heaven" comment.
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NowImfree, I also had a dream experience, actually more than one. But one was the most impressive. I learned the truth about the "truth" in 1995-1996 and like you considered doing, I stayed in for the next 13 years and was finialy dis-fellowshipped for apostasy in March of this year. About the year 2000 I had the most intense dream I had ever had. At the time I didn't know what it meant. Now I know very clearly. I have a Christian friend that I've been studying the Bible with for about 3 years (He's never been a witness). Well in March of this year, one Friday morning at the end of our study by phone, I mentioned this dream I had had back in 2000 and how something that had been going on recently had got me to thinking about it. Within an hour of our phone call and elder stops by my place of work and invites me to go to coffee with him and as a result of our conversation that day, a judicial committee was formed and I was disfellowshipped. It would be hard to describe the dream in the post here, but I have no doubt it was of Divine origin. seek2find