Posts by besty

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"Even if it isn't true" - how many of you heard this one recently?

by hamsterbait in

i remember first hearing it after the generation change of 95.. a sister answered up at the wt and said "even if armageddon isn't coming, its still the best way to live.".

i have heard others say: "even if it isn't true, it's still the best way of life.".

my mother said it a few weeks ago!

besty

For me it comes down to self-justification and the difficulty we humans have in putting our hand up and saying "Yes, I am wrong"

Self-justification is fuelled by cognitive dissonance - so I suspect in the case of JW's coming up with the very lame "its the best way of life even if its all horsesh*t" are particularly troubled by some of their JW lifestyle choices and values and their perception of the way reality is unfolding for them.

Next time you hear this perhaps tactfully enquire about areas of their life they would change given a blank sheet of paper. Could get interesting.

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06-01-08 WT Why God Saved Noah

by karvel in

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besty

I know this link was posted time and again, but for the benefit of newer ones I'll mention it again
http://www.dimaggio.org/Heretic/1st_corr.htm
the answers of the WTS should be shown to every JW.

I hadn't seen this before so was pleased to read about yet_another_pointless_correspondence with the WTS.

One sentence from the goons at bethel made me laugh - http://www.dimaggio.org/Heretic/5th_corr.htm

"Also, if a good quote is somewhat old or comes from what you call a non-scientific source, that does not invalidate the quote."

I think that sentence tells you everything you need to know about their intellectual (dis)honesty.

Reminds me of another good quote:

"I will look at any additional evidence to confirm the opinion to which I have already come." ~ Lord Molson, British politician (1903-1991)

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06-01-08 WT Why God Saved Noah

by karvel in

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besty

I can't believe you all are just skipping over the most devastating change.

Executive summary please Winnower.

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Bethelite: Elder burnout, R&F disillusionment led to book study change

by pseattle2 in

please visit the blog: http://governingbodyletters.blogspot.com/2008/05/bethelites-viewpoint-on-recent.html.

a bethelite's viewpoint on the recent organization changesto me the most obvious reason has nothing to do with control, or money.

it has everything to do with the serious shortage of qualified brothers who can (or who are willing to) be used.

besty

The WTS is an organisation top-heavy with needy older ones and a retention problem with younger ones who feel disenfranchised by an organisation that doesn't really understand them.

How about a WTS sponsored initiative to get the youngsters helping the elderly in a practical way - shopping, housework, social time etc. This could take the place of weekend field service and be reportable on a time slip.

This program would address the 'public benefit' requirement of charitable institutions, give the youngsters a reason to stay committed, take some workload off the elders and be of genuine help to the older ones.

Likelihood of happening - 25%.

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The wife has just opened a pandoras box (you tube)!

by evergreen in

jw
friends

i was browsing the net yesterday and was looking up some you tube clips on jehovahs witnesses.

the wife then asks if she could use the net to check out something.

little did i realise she was checking my history trail (we're a trusting couple!

besty

I recommend this book for every JW - it should be the next publication for consideration at the Congregation ~~Book~~ Bible Study

http://www.amazon.com/Mistakes-Were-Made-But-Not/dp/0151010986

Hey Evergreen - perhaps you can get the book and tell your wife what an eyeopener it is - get her to read and think about it - it never mentions JW's, apostates etc.

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Automatic reinstatement if teaching gets reversed?

by Fatfreek in

let's say your spouse admitted to having sex with animals, you went to the elders and they told you that you were not free to remarry -- but you went ahead, divorced the scumbag, and remarried someone else.

you, of course, got disfellowshipped.

since then, the society reverses its position.

besty

On a thread about sex with animals this was too funny

Since then, the Society reverses its position

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Albert Schroeder Life Story - interesting read

by still_in74 in

i thought this was an interesting article, lots of rutherford and knorr quotes.

life of albert schroeder in the org.

i remember meeting albert schroeder about 15 years ago.

besty

"There in South Lansing, New York, our son, Judah Ben, who was born in February 1958, spent his early years.

We had many joys in Judah Ben’s upbringing, as we always tried to apply Bible principles. (Ephesians 6:1-4) He was encouraged to follow Micah 6:8, even as I sought to apply that text in my life. Later, Judah became a third generation Bethelite and served at Bethel for 12 years. He was married to a lovely pioneer sister, Amber Baker, in June 1986. They now pioneer in Michigan."

Not sure how accurate this is currently. Last I heard JBS was a long-term fader with significant reservations, also studying/completed a law degree.

http://www.circuitleasing.com/ is I believe the lovely Amber Bakers Dad's business.

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Bethelite: Elder burnout, R&F disillusionment led to book study change

by pseattle2 in

please visit the blog: http://governingbodyletters.blogspot.com/2008/05/bethelites-viewpoint-on-recent.html.

a bethelite's viewpoint on the recent organization changesto me the most obvious reason has nothing to do with control, or money.

it has everything to do with the serious shortage of qualified brothers who can (or who are willing to) be used.

besty

I'm not sure who the joker is that hijacked my orginal JWD post and retitled it for his blog that you see here. He is a blatant plagiarist and should be taken out and horse whipped.

http://governingbodyletters.blogspot.com/2008/05/books-to-be-released-at-2008-district.html

and

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/158108/1.ashx

Seems the blogger sees themselves as something of a news aggregator - he/she should be crediting other peoples content IMHO.

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Please I need your help! evil site

by Dogpatch in

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friends

evil for some at least!.

now that i shamelessly hijacked your attention folks, i could, pretty please use some suggestions.. a dear friend, who is a website designer recently volunteered to redesign my sites.

he succeeded in creating a great design, especially for www.freeminds.org .

besty

Great re-vamp Randy - love it as you know.

Perhaps a quick and dirty solution to the large amount of content would be a Google search box right there on the home page - perhaps 3 options...

1 - Search this site
2 - Custom search multiple JW resources
3 - Search web

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Dublin, Ireland Hospital Faces 1m Bill Over Transfusion Case

by AndersonsInfo in

ireland .

coombe faces 1m bill over transfusion case.

thursday, 8 may 2008 17:29. the coombe women's hospital is facing a bill of over 1m for costs over its successful high court action in a recent blood transfusion case.. the case centred on whether the hospital was entitled to administer a necessary blood transfusion to a female member of the jehovah's witnesses faith, against her wishes.. in a landmark ruling last month, ms justice mary laffoy ruled the hospital had acted lawfully in getting a court order allowing it give the transfusion to the 24-year-old woman, who may be identified only as ms k.. the court also set out guidelines as to how hospitals, the courts and the state might address similar situations in the future.. the case was before the judge again yesterday to decide issues of the multi-million euro costs of the 37-day hearing.. the judge rejected applications by both the hospital and ms k to have their costs paid by the state.

besty

...but I thought the British trial system was "loser pays."

Naughty Nathan - read the subject line of the post again and tell me which country is under discusssion here.