i wasn't trying to win a debate kate - just doing what I can to help truth get to the surface - its all too easy on forums for truth to be the 1st casualty.
Posts by besty
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199Millions die in Natural disasters - God is doing nothing. Do I adopt Anthropomorphism to him?
by KateWild ini do not think god is a'morphic.
god is not human, so hence he does not possess human characteristics, to know god better and to understand him better i study science.
there has been a new discovery of strange signals picked up from black holes and distant supernovae suggest there's more to space-time than einstein believed.
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Millions die in Natural disasters - God is doing nothing. Do I adopt Anthropomorphism to him?
by KateWild ini do not think god is a'morphic.
god is not human, so hence he does not possess human characteristics, to know god better and to understand him better i study science.
there has been a new discovery of strange signals picked up from black holes and distant supernovae suggest there's more to space-time than einstein believed.
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besty
We all to some level want confirmation bias besty, you are not interested in reading more because a wiki quotemined quote confirms your bias
"It seems to me that the idea of a personal God is an anthropological concept which I cannot take seriously. I feel also not able to imagine some will or goal outside the human sphere. My views are near those of Spinoza: admiration for the beauty of and belief in the logical simplicity of the order which we can grasp humbly and only imperfectly. I believe that we have to content ourselves with our imperfect knowledge and understanding and treat values and moral obligations as a purely human problem—the most important of all human problems."
"I believe in Spinoza's God, who reveals himself in the harmony of all that exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fate and the doings of mankind."
"Scientific research can reduce superstition by encouraging people to think and view things in terms of cause and effect. Certain it is that a conviction, akin to religious feeling, of the rationality and intelligibility of the world lies behind all scientific work of a higher order... This firm belief, a belief bound up with a deep feeling, in a superior mind that reveals itself in the world of experience, represents my conception of God. In common parlance this may be described as "pantheistic" (Spinoza)."
"I am fascinated by Spinoza's Pantheism. I admire even more his contributions to modern thought. Spinoza is the greatest of modern philosophers, because he is the first philosopher who deals with the soul and the body as one, not as two separate things."
Make of Einsteins words what you will Kate - I think the reader will find more accuracy and value in my summary that Einstein was a pantheistic Spinozan that your "Einstein believed in God".
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So many new species being discovered......
by cantleave ini think some of you may enjoy this article, it makes a change from hearing about yet another species on the extinct list and shows why we need to conserve our natural heritage.
http://www.the-scientist.com//?articles.view/articleno/38639/title/new-species-abound/.
in october, the world wildlife fund (wwf) published a list of 441 new species that have been discovered in the amazon in the last four years: 258 plants, 84 fish, 58 amphibians, 22 reptiles, 18 birds, and one mammal.
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besty
"new species" meaning we have just noticed them :-)
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Sign this petition - Investigation On Jehovahs Witnesses Religious Policy That Violates Human Rights and Abuses Religious Freedom
by TJ Curioso inlaunch an investigation on jehovahs witnesses religious policy that violates human rights and abuses religious freedom.
link.
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besty
welcome to JWN poconosknows - it would be great to hear more about your personal story and what brings you here - maybe start a new thread in the Friends section
good to have you here - please feel welcome and continue posting
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So many new species being discovered......
by cantleave ini think some of you may enjoy this article, it makes a change from hearing about yet another species on the extinct list and shows why we need to conserve our natural heritage.
http://www.the-scientist.com//?articles.view/articleno/38639/title/new-species-abound/.
in october, the world wildlife fund (wwf) published a list of 441 new species that have been discovered in the amazon in the last four years: 258 plants, 84 fish, 58 amphibians, 22 reptiles, 18 birds, and one mammal.
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Millions die in Natural disasters - God is doing nothing. Do I adopt Anthropomorphism to him?
by KateWild ini do not think god is a'morphic.
god is not human, so hence he does not possess human characteristics, to know god better and to understand him better i study science.
there has been a new discovery of strange signals picked up from black holes and distant supernovae suggest there's more to space-time than einstein believed.
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besty
@kate
assuming all I read was:
"I believe in Spinoza's god"
That would be enough for me - Einstein was famously economical with his words. Those 5 words tell me he was a pantheist.
In any event, I am not interested enough in Einsteins religious beliefs to read a book devoted to the subject - my next related book will definitely be about Spinoza.
I love how you speculate on what 'athiests' will or will not do and their reasons for so not/doing Kate - you need to brush up on your critical thinking skills hun.
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"Jehovah ALWAYS had/used an organization". How would you reply?
by EdenOne inin a recent meeting with elders, an argument was used to the effect that jehovah has always [= throughout history] used, or operated through, an organization; therefore, the wts must be that organization today, since god must be using one.
naturally, i know what arguments i've used to counter that argument.
but i'm interested in hearing yours.
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besty
Why did Russell not join that organization instead of starting a new one?
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The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday
by cofty inyesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.
we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.
they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.
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besty
I can only conclude what the Bible allows me to conclude
Once you get past that the rest becomes obvious. Good luck.
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Millions die in Natural disasters - God is doing nothing. Do I adopt Anthropomorphism to him?
by KateWild ini do not think god is a'morphic.
god is not human, so hence he does not possess human characteristics, to know god better and to understand him better i study science.
there has been a new discovery of strange signals picked up from black holes and distant supernovae suggest there's more to space-time than einstein believed.
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besty
@kate
Einstein was abiguous and vague, but he denied being an atheist that we know.
You are still overlaying your own interpretation. Rather, it is factual to say "It seems to me that Einstein appears to be x,y,z" rather than your definitive "Einstein was x,y,z"
As to denying being an atheist, I suggest you Google "Einstein, atheist, Jesuit" :-) From what I have read it seems to me that Einstein was clearly pantheist.
Although it is tempting to say Einstein was this that or the other it is exactly the same as an atheist bringing "Richard Dawkins is an atheist. So there." to the table. Interesting, but ultimately meaningless.
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The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday
by cofty inyesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.
we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.
they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.
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besty
atheists hope that reason will triumph over superstition