i havent really had a chance to ask anyone about my favourite book - enoch, the book that apparently the church fathers tried to "remove".
has anyone else here read the book of enoch, or the book of the secrets of enoch.if so what is your opinion, i found it to bear many similarities to revelation in certain places .
also including a history of the angels who caused much mischief in noah's day is fascinating , references to the son of man in such detail and the concept of different heavens is interesting as well.
I've read it, but it was quite awhile ago. I understand now why the witnesses won't use it as an inspired work!!!!!
It has beautiful description of heaven and is a real eye opener. I personally can't see why that book was not used, but Revelation was kept.
Moanzy
i know this has been mentioned before, but i'd like to bring that question to the front again.
not only from a jw's perspective, but also from all other christians.. who lied to man and woman in the eden story?.
yahweh god says to men: 17 "nevertheless of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you are not to eat, for on the day you eat of it you shall most surely die.
Trying to wrap my brain around a different concept of Satan is similar to learning the Watchtower Society was full of crap!!! I totally agree that Satan didn't lie, but that name still says evil in my mind.
Moanzy
i saw my daughter for the first time today, since she was disfellowshipped.
just to make it clear, i refuse to shun her so she insists on shunning me.
today was unavoidable.
As a daughter who is shunned by her mother, I would want from my mom to know that I as her child, am worth more than rules of men. That I am not a subhuman, but her child, a part of her that you can't just throw away.
I would like her to throw her arms around me and tell me that nothing would stop her from being my mom.
Alas, this will never happen.But if it could this is what I would need to hear and what I would do for my children.
Moanzy
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very interesting article.. http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=42815
VM44,
The book is called Jews, God and History---Max I Dumont.
This book also explains pretty well why the Jews were able to exist 4000 yrs later when the Greeks and Romans eventually died out, among other civilization that no longer exist.
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very interesting article.. http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=42815
VM44,
Just give me a sec, I loaned the book to another JWD poster here and I can't remember the whole title or the author.
Moanzy
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very interesting article.. http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=42815
I just finished a book about the Israelites/Jews on their history from beginning at the time of Abraham. It indicates that when the 12 tribes of Israel were scattered that each tribe had their own spin on God and that YHWH and Elohim were one in the same.
The Hebrew scriptures are at least 2 stories of the same thing,but were put together as the Hebrew scriptures. Because of this, it has become confusing to figure out what is what. The author gives some very interesting theories on the history of the Jews.
Moanzy
having spent time on this discussion board.
there has been quite a number of negative .
amount of damage in various ways, but are .
Yes I believe I should have started my research at about 8yrs old, but I was a little scared to be disfellowshipped and disowned by my family.
Moanzy
i've seen soooo many witnesses taking meds or alcohol because of unhappiness and depression.
i know of one woman who regularly gos to her shrink and is the most depressed person that i know of.
personally, i believe it's because a jw can never do enough to satisfy god or the elders....what do you think?
I was terribly depressed from a very young age. I had an eating disorder starting about age 8 and by the time I was about 14 I just wanted to die.
I had several suicide attempts, was hospitalized for the eating disorder and no one could help me. As soon as I was disfellowshipped everything turned around.
Can't say the drinking and drugs were the best trade off for an eating disorder and suicide, but at least I'm still alive.
When I got reinstated, life just went from good to almost very very bad again. After DAing life went pretty good again. ( I did get counceling). I do believe that being a witness would in the end kill me. Perhaps its just an allergy!!
Moanzy
->is it fair/just/loving that innocent children be punished for their parent's wrongdoings etc...?
a passage from the new book released @ the dc p.131-2.
"(malachi 4:1) in that day of accounting, young children (boughs) will be dealt with justly according to jehovah's assessment of their parents (roots), who are responsible for minor children.
They are also teaching that we are suffering due to our "first" parents actions. Adam and Eve, parents we've never met. Over an issue we were not around to witness.
Mankind has been suffering for thousands of years over that one bad choice.
Moanzy
2 sheets of paper towel for hand drying, controlled use of toilet paper, don't dawdle while in the stall, covered mirrors, what next?.
how about maximum of 2 trips to the bathroom per day otherwise you are written up by brother bathroom monitor.
if more than that you are put on cleaning duty after the day's sessions are done.. .
I can just see a service meeting for the next assembly where everyone will be told to bring their own TP. Enough for their whole family!!!!
Moanzy
