Posts by mnb77

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New Ways to look at things..........

by Sunnygal41 in

i realize not everyone will find this list applicable or useful, but, i will share it in the spirit of "take what you need and leave the rest"........

ancora imparo - "i am still learning" ~ michelangelo

' your biography becomes your biology.

hmmmm

by missy04 in

i have been wondering lately.. .

for a while now i don't really hear from my witness friend and not that it bothers me much anymore, but i call her like once a month or so and she usually stays on the phone long enough to tell me how much she "misses me," for like 5 minutes (as opposed to the hours that she used to call me to talk for every night.

) then she says "well i will call you later, ok?

mnb77

Sorry to hear that. I've had the same thing sort of happen to me. Jw friend use to email me all the time and we would discuss the differences between the religions we took part in and then she got a new job and the interaction tappered off and I haven't heard from her for several months. Sad that I could draw her away from the Jw and show her her freedoms she could have.

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Is this WTS teaching a contradiction?

by Honesty in

the wts does not believe the soul is anything other than a person's whole being but they teach that the 144,000 are resurrected to heaven as immortal beings.

can anyone explain what they really are trying to say?

i hope this makes a little bit of sense.

mnb77

they get this from where it speaks in the bible about the gloified bodies, at least I would think cause of what it says about christ had when he defeated death. Jw dont teach about the gloified body of christ but that he was a spirit I must contradict that will how christ was able to eat and drink with the diciples.

just some thoughts from conversations and reading on the JWs

mnb77

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Name your new "Wild Beast"

by jula71 in

ok, in the ever-changing world of ?new light?

who is going to be the new ?wild beast??

i was just watching the news and the un is in some pretty bad trouble, teenage prostitution scandal, oil for food scandal, ect.. it seems that they are slipping quickly into insignificance.

mnb77

well I had a friend that grew up in a country where religion was illegal. She said it was like this for many of the countries around her's.

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What does Russell, Masons and Satan have in common?

by mnb77 in

freemasons (aka: masons) are under the control of satan and russell was there with them...

now we come to russell's part.

russell was a freemason.

mnb77

FYI: the masons are the freemasons. in the frech translation of the masons it sounds like freemason, and that just stuck.

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What does Russell, Masons and Satan have in common?

by mnb77 in

freemasons (aka: masons) are under the control of satan and russell was there with them...

now we come to russell's part.

russell was a freemason.

mnb77

The masons were with the Knights Templar, a satanic organization. check out http://www.cuttingedge.org/free15.htm

it links the masons to the satanic worship

mnb77

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Deity of Jesus

by bryanlovesgod in

can i get a thorough explanation regarding the jehovah's witness's befief on the deity of christ.

is he god?

could you please be very specific and use scripture?

mnb77

When emailing my JW friend I asked her about Christ and if he was God becuase of what John1:1 says and how they translate it to "a god" she sent me this JW thing from her CD with all the Watchtowers on it.

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Questions from Readers

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Trinitarians point to John 20:28 as proof that Jesus is God. There Thomas said (NW): "My Master and my God!" How can this argument be answered??F. W., Philippine Republic.

Jesus is a god. "God" means a strong one. Christ is called "The mighty God" at Isaiah 9:6, "a god" at John 1:1 (NW), and "the only-begotten god" at John 1:18 (NW). Jehovah is not the only god or strong one. The very fact that he is called the Almighty God indicates that there are other gods not so mighty, not almighty like him. So Thomas could call Jesus God, but not THE God, and three verses later Jesus is called "the Son of God," as we read (NW): "But these have been written down that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ the Son of God, and that, because of believing, you may have life by means of his name." So there was no objection to John?s reporting that Thomas addressed Jesus as a deity, and certainly John does not say that Thomas? address to Jesus was to make us believe that Jesus was The God, but says it was to make us believe Jesus was God?s Son. In this same chapter (20:17, NW) Jesus said: "I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God." He was not ascending to himself.

But now the trinitarians will say Thomas used the Greek definite article "the" (ho) before "God," proving he called Jesus The God. The article "the" is in the nominative case in the Greek, but the word "God" here is in the vocative case and of such A. T. Robertson says in his A Grammar of the Greek New Testament in the Light of Historical Research, on page 461: "The article with the vocative in address was the usual Hebrew and Aramaic idiom, as indeed in Aristophanes we have ho pais akoloúthei. It is good Greek and good Aramaic too when we have Abbá ho patér (Mark 14:36) whether Jesus said one or both. In Matthew 11:26 (nai, ho patér) we have the vocative. When the article is used, of course the nominative form must occur. Thus in Rev. 18:20 we have both together, ourané kai hoi hágioi. Indeed the second member of the address is always in the nominative form. Thus Kýrie, ho Theós, ho pantokrátor (Rev. 15:3). Compare John 20:28." Page 462: "When Thomas said Ho kýrios mou kai ho theós mou (John 20:28), he gave Christ full acceptance of his deity and of the fact of his resurrection." Page 466: "In John 20:28 Thomas addresses Jesus as ho kýrios mou kai ho theós, the vocative like those above. Yet, strange to say, Winer calls this exclamation rather than address, apparently to avoid the conclusion that Thomas was satisfied as to the deity of Jesus by his appearance to him after the resurrection. Dr. E. A. Abbott follows suit also in an extended argument to show that kýrie ho theós is the LXX way of addressing God, not ho kýrios kai ho theós. But after he had written he appends a note to p. 95 to the effect that ?this is not quite satisfactory. For [John] xiii. 13 phonéite me ho didáskalos kai ho kýrios, and Rev. 4:11 áxios ei, ho kýrios kai ho theós hemón, ought to have been mentioned above.? This is a manly retraction, and he adds: ?John may have used it here exceptionally.? Leave out ?exceptionally? and the conclusion is just. If Thomas used Aramaic he certainly used the article. It is no more exceptional in John 20:28 than in Rev. 4:11."

So, since the use of the definite article was made before the form of address to anybody, Thomas? use of the definite article does not force his use of God to mean The God, Jehovah. Jehovah was not begotten, but existed without beginning. But according to John 1:18 (NW) Christ was the only god or strong one directly begotten or created by Jehovah, however.

So Jehovah is The God; Jesus Christ is one of many who are called gods. Satan is called "the god of this system of things," Moses was said to be as god to Pharaoh, and in the Psalms men are called gods, and Jesus referred to this and argued that hence the Jews should not say he blasphemed when he said he was God?s Son. And the apostle Paul said there are many called gods. But to argue that these many different ones called gods are, by virtue of this fact, The God Jehovah would be absurd. Similarly, it is absurd to try to argue that Thomas? reference to Jesus as god proves Jesus is The God, and doubly so when just three verses later Jesus is identified as God?s Son.?2 Cor. 4:4, NW; Ex. 7:1; Ps. 82:6; John 10:35; 1 Cor. 8:5.

Incidentally, in view of the existence of so many called gods, does it not establish the need for The God, the Almighty God, to have a distinguishing name, that is, Jehovah?

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Hope it helps,

mnb77

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What does Russell, Masons and Satan have in common?

by mnb77 in

freemasons (aka: masons) are under the control of satan and russell was there with them...

now we come to russell's part.

russell was a freemason.

mnb77

Freemasons (aka: masons) are under the control of Satan and Russell was there with them...

Now we come to Russell's part. Russell was a freemason. It has been recorded in his own material, his admittance to being a Freemason." I am very glad to have this particular opportunity of saying a word about some of the things in which we agree with our Masonic friends, because we are speaking in a building dedicated to Masonry, and we also are Masons. I am a Freemason." Charles Taze Russell. (The

The Rothschild's had long had a plan to create a personal fiefdom for themselves and the Illuminati in Palestine and that plan involved manipulating Jewish people to settle the area as their "homeland." Charles Taze Russell, of the Illuminati-reptilian Russell bloodline, was the man who founded the Watchtower Society, better known as the Jehovah's Witnesses. He was a Satanist, a pedophile according to his wife, and most certainly Illuminati. His new "religion (mind-control cult) was funded by the Rothschild's and he was a friend of theirs, just like the founders of the Mormons who were also Rothschild-funded through Kuhn, Loeb, and Co. Russell and the Mormon founders were all Freemasons. In 1880, Charles Taze Russell, this friend of the Rothschild's, predicted that the Jews would return to their homeland. It was about the only prediction Russell ever got right. Why? Because he knew that was the plan. He wrote to the Rothschild's praising their efforts to establish a Jewish homeland in .

Was Russell part of the Masonry?

?Jesus was the foundation stone; there were no stones chiseled out before he came; none could be accepted before that. He did the great work of founding this great order to which we belong, the order of free and Accepted Masonry. (The page 121)

You know that in these orders of Masonry, as they progress from one step to another; they learn more and more, and there are Masons in the thirty-second degree that know a great many things that Masons on the fourteenth or sixteenth plane that would not know. (The page 123)

Were the masons affiliated with Satan?

Albert Pike addressing the 23 Supreme Councils of the world on July 14, 1889:- "To you, Sovereign Grand Instructors General, we say this, that you may repeat it to the Brethren of the 32nd, 31st and 30th degrees: 'the Masonic Religion should be, by all of us initiates of the high degrees, maintained in the purity of the LUCIFERIAN Doctrine. . ."

A thousand years during which these Knights Templars are to scatter blessings to all the families of the Earth. We may not wear our white feathers now but we will all have white raiment by and by. "They shall walk with Him in white for they are worthy." Now the question arises, How can we become members of this order? Would you like to become one of these Knights Templar on a heavenly plane. (The page 122) see also: http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1165.cfm

All our historians, at least nearly all of them, agree that Freemasonry owes very much to certain occult societies or groups that flourished -- often in secrecy -- during the late Middle Ages, and even into the after-Reformation times. Chief among these were the Rosicrucian's and the Knights Templar. (H. L. Haywood, The Great Teachings of the Lodge (Richmond, Virginia: Macoy Publishing and Masonic Supply Company, 1971), page 94.) http://www.exjws.net/museum/masonry.htm

Many articles have proved that Freemasonry is involved with Satanism. Here are some, most have been disconnected or are currently unable to be brought up. http://www.cuttingedge.org/free15.htm (Satan worship) http://blackpope.bravepages.com/witchcraft_tie_freemasonry.htm (I couldn?t get this link to work, but it shows the connection between masonry and witchcraft.) http://www.crownrights.com/masonry/ (pagan alter of freemasonry)

Topics you might search to show this are:

FREEMASONRY PROVEN TO WORSHIP SATAN * FORMER ILLUMINIST WITCH REVEALS WITCHCRAFT TIE TO FREEMASONRY * THE MASONIC NEW WORLD ORDER * Freemasonry Exposed * Communion With the Gods The Pagan Altar of Freemasonry

Who controls the Freemasons? The Jesuits!! Who Controls the Jesuits? Lucifer!!

Russell was buried with a pyramid site marker or headstone if you will, with Masonic symbols engraved on it. I would show you the picture but the group that had this picture was requested to take it off because of how the site connects them with Satan. There are a crown and cross on this picture below. This picture is a Masonic thing. The symbols on the picture dont represent a Christian thing as many would expect, but Masonic author Ray Denslow reveals its true meaning:

"The Cross and Crown may be said to be confined almost exclusively to the historical degrees in Masonry as exemplified in the various orders of knighthood of York and Scottish rites. In we find the cross to have been a solar symbol when it had equal arms and angles; to the Phoenicians it was an instrument of sacrifice to their God, Baal; and to the Egyptians, the crux ansata was his symbol of eternal life." (Ray V. Denslow, Masonic Portraits, Transactions of this Missouri Lodge of Research, vol. #29, p.7---emphasis in the original)

Now that we have established that Russell was a York Rite Knights Templar, same as 32 or 33rd degree Freemason. Lets look at Enochian Magic. What is Enochian Magic? Have you ever heard of Aleister Crowley? He was one of the most evil men besides Hitler to walk this Earth. In his book "Confessions." claimed that he had been initiated as a 33-Degree Mason in the Ancient and Accepted Rite of Masonry (A&AR). He probably did this in , where he went after the break-up with the Golden Dawn.

Now lets look at a bit of history of Enochian Magic. The Golden Dawn history. This secret society made great impact on the European magic of the XX century with the publishing of its secret material by its former members. According to a story that circulated among the members of the society, it is based on a coded manuscript that Win Westcot, one of the founders, freemason and occultist found in an antique store. Then Westcot contacted Samuel Lidel McGregor Mathers, who was a respectable magician and Egyptologist in that time, and they together decoded the manuscript which consisted of four complicated rituals. In the manuscript they found an address of a certain person called Mrs. Spriengel from who was responsible for a secret magic order, supposedly from the tradition of the Rosicrucian's. From Mrs. Spriengel they received a letter of approval for founding the secret magic order Golden Dawn with the first lodge Isis-Urania in . The founders and the heads of the society were Mathers, Westcot, and Woodman, another English occultist and freemason.

Learn Aumism: the doctrines of the Golden Age. Its Modern day founder is a freemason, Rosicrucian, Martinist Lodges, Knights of the Holy Grail, occultist and so on at these sites:

http://www.aumisme.org/gb/li12.htm

http://www.aumisme.org/gb/shm.htm

OK we have proved that Enochian magick is a reality. We see that Russell was involved with Freemasonry and used Freemasonry symbols on his earlier magazines. We also learn that the Freemasons were involved in the occult and The Golden Dawn order, which used Enochian Magic. The Freemason is heavy into the Pyramids and the worship of Isis and Osiris. The ancient Egyptians, for example, constantly refer to a remote Golden Age they called Zep Tepi, 'The First Time' of Osiris, which they believed had long predated the Pyramid Age.

We have also learned those three phrases of terminology that are popular with Enochian Magic, and the Freemasons are "Millennial Dawn", "Golden Age" and "Watchtower." Russell named his organization Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. His earlier magazine was called The Golden Age. Before the name of Jehovah's Witnesses was established the followers of Russell's teachings were known as Russellites and Millennial Dawnist. Not a chance this is coincidence.

It is the restoration of that corrupt "Golden Age" of incarnate demons which the Egyptian mystery religion represented and continues to represent. It is an ancient violent and immoral world which developed before the Flood which New Age spirit guides are seeking to re-establish, but which will be swept away by the War of Armageddon. The term "Golden Age" is a very misleading one, as is the term "spirituality" when used in conjunction with Adam Weishaupt whose "spirituality" was referred to as "horrifying." The Illuminati's fundamental principles pervert the noble meaning of spirituality, and are working for the establishment of a "horrifying" "Golden Age."

Now keep this in mind when reading the Watchtowers false predictions, and their constant change of doctrines. Oh yes and a little FYI. (For Your Information). The WT Society performs a secret ritual every year, which is their primary ritual. This ritual is actually the ancient Gnostic (Satanic) ritual of saying no to the body of Christ. Of course the lower rank and files JW's do not know this. This ancient Satanic ritual is now secretly practiced under the disguise of the Memorial Supper - where the elements of communion are passed and no one partakes of the elements. (When I say "no one" I mean that in a qualified sense-only a small group is allowed to partake. The actual figures of how many partake of the elements is a totally fictitious figure according to my sources, which is created at headquarters in .

In their main textbooks for indoctrinating new converts, "You Can Live Forever in on Earth," and "Knowledge that Leads to Everlasting Life", the Watchtower Society subtly presents circular reasoning and cleverly formulated arguments garnished with half-truths to begin the process of thought control on unsuspecting individuals sincerely interested in learning about the Bible.

on earth, that is what the devil thinks he has once he has convinced everyone to follow him in one way or another. Read revelation, it tell all the turmoil that will come for him.

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Did the "Watchtower" Originate In the Occult?

by metatron in

at one time, no one had any particular set of mental associations with the word "watchtower" - no one, except occultists!.

at the turn of the century, there was a highly influencial occult group called the "golden dawn".

they liked egyptian.

mnb77

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Did the "Watchtower" Originate In the Occult?

by metatron in

at one time, no one had any particular set of mental associations with the word "watchtower" - no one, except occultists!.

at the turn of the century, there was a highly influencial occult group called the "golden dawn".

they liked egyptian.

mnb77

ignore this...I cant get it all on there. I try again later

Now we come to Russell's part. Russell was a freemason. It has been recorded in his own material, his admittance to being a Freemason." I am very glad to have this particular opportunity of saying a word about some of the things in which we agree with our Masonic friends, because we are speaking in a building dedicated to Masonry, and we also are Masons. I am a Freemason." Charles Taze Russell. (The