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  Has anyone asked......

  by mjl in

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  has anyone ever asked someone about way the memorial is still celebrated?

  the belief is it is to be done yearly until he arrives, but he was supposed to arrive in 1914. so if that?s the case, he?s already here.

  why is it still being celebrated?

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  good question, if he has returned why do we need that celebration. goodness gracious!
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  DOES THE BIBLE CONTAIN ANY VALUABLE OR USEFUL FACTS AT ALL???

  by Terry in

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  fact: a statement or assertion of verified information about something that is the case or has happened

  i've read the bible many times in many ways with many methods.

  but, i don't really see in it any information that contains factual material that benefits anybody.

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  the bible talks about not having sex outside marriage, this is good because it forewarns about sexually transmitted infections, just cause the word doesn't say it doesnt mean God didn't know it would be a problem as everyone sleeps with everyone else.

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  unforgivable sin

  by MerryMagdalene in

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  tijkmo's post on watson's "hypothetical" thread got me wondering again...just what the heck is it to sin against the holy spirit according to jw beliefs/teachings?

  for something so important as to be "unforgivable" it has always seemed awfully vague to me (so vague that i was sure as a kid that it must be masturbation and for years i felt the great weight of ultimate doom heavily upon me).

  is it intentionally vague, do you think, just to keep everyone on their toes and hyper-paranoid or am i missing something?

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  I've been thinking since my last post on this... The JW say that the holy spirit is an impersonal "active force" but how can you sin against something like that?

  the reason I ask this is because of one of the posts on what the Jws say about sin against the HS. how could they know if it is only a force?

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  Prohibition from...

  by mnb77 in

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  the jw have prohibited:

  as of 1944, jw can?t take blood transfusions cause it is against the teaching and stuff (gen 9:4 => not eating blood)

  with this one, why don?t the jw?s look at leviticus 3:17, which says, ?you must not eat any fat or any blood at all?

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  The jw have prohibited:

  1. as of 1944, JW can?t take blood transfusions cause it is against the teaching and stuff (Gen 9:4 => not eating blood)
  1. With this one, why don?t the JW?s look at Leviticus 3:17, which says, ?You must not eat any fat or any blood at all? (New World Translation) We could ask them why can?t you eat blood but are allowed to eat fat? **any thoughts on that one?*
  2. during 1967 through 1980 when the leaders reversed the teaching about being allowed to accept organ transplants (see The Watchtower, 11/15/67, pp702-704; Awake 6/8/68, p21; and The Watchtower 3/15/80, p31)

  1. Between 1931 and 1952 JW?s refused vaccinations for themselves and their children (The Golden Age, 2/4/31, p293

  Any other bans you?al know about? Or maybe another religion has an interesting ban on something else any you can think of?

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  Some resurrection thoughts by CS Lewis

  by bebu in

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  today's entry from "the business of heaven", a book of daily readings of cs lewis, regards the resurrection account of christ, and how the account of christ eating fish with the disciples after he resurrected raise problems.

  how could a ghost eat?

  the disciples did not expect jesus to come visit, and their worldview did not hold to ghosts with working stomachs.

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  I think this resurection thing has to do with some sort of embodiment, but it is the "glorified body" kinda thing. the bible talks about how doubting thomas was able to touch his hands and his pierced side and how Chirst did eat and stuff like that but the bible also talks about how he was here and there with no notice (ghost like quality). I think resurection will have something to do with body/spirit combo.

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  Lack of evidence in "Insight" *gack* book supporting stake theory.

  by kwintestal in

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  after a short discussion regarding the cross vs. stake theory with my grandmother i decided to refresh my memory of the wts doctrine regarding this and it's supporting arguments.

  i was surprised to find that they only used one supporting reference to their claim.

  it's a quote by john denham parsons written in 1896 (interesting that it took over 30 years for god to mention this to his mouthpiece).

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  it hurts to be on a cross..

  think of the position you're in while on the cross. Having your hands out to the side for a long period of time causes fluid to fill your lungs out. sometimes people on the cross would suficate to death quicker than others, and if the time got in the way of the Roman soldiers, they would break the legs of the person on the cross so they could no longer use their legs to push themselves up to get a breath of air. Tortuous if you ask me. That is another reason that in the OT it said not a bone would be broken of christ, this came to pass in the NT as he died before the soldiers broke the legs of the men on the crosses around Christ.

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  unforgivable sin

  by MerryMagdalene in

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  tijkmo's post on watson's "hypothetical" thread got me wondering again...just what the heck is it to sin against the holy spirit according to jw beliefs/teachings?

  for something so important as to be "unforgivable" it has always seemed awfully vague to me (so vague that i was sure as a kid that it must be masturbation and for years i felt the great weight of ultimate doom heavily upon me).

  is it intentionally vague, do you think, just to keep everyone on their toes and hyper-paranoid or am i missing something?

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  "To sin against the Holy Spirit"---now i believe and disagree with some of what the JW literature says, but the way I have understood this is, once justified before God by accepting Christ's sacrfice and allowing the HS to dwell in your heart as a seal for the resurection, a person would blasphmee (sp?) against the HS or give credit to the devil for something that 'God the HS' did.

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  Lack of evidence in "Insight" *gack* book supporting stake theory.

  by kwintestal in

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  after a short discussion regarding the cross vs. stake theory with my grandmother i decided to refresh my memory of the wts doctrine regarding this and it's supporting arguments.

  i was surprised to find that they only used one supporting reference to their claim.

  it's a quote by john denham parsons written in 1896 (interesting that it took over 30 years for god to mention this to his mouthpiece).

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  The Stake vs. the Cross

  One of the doctrines of the Jehovah's Witnesses that is wrong, though not an attack on an essential doctrine of scripture, is their teaching that Jesus died on a stake instead of a cross (Reasoning from the Scriptures, 1985, pp. 89-90). It really doesn't matter which Jesus died on. The issue is whether or not He shed His blood for our sins.

  In support of their position, they accurately state that the Greek word used in many Bibles which is translated into "cross" is the Greek word "stauros" which means, "an upright stake, esp. a pointed one, a cross." 1 If a stake were used, instead of a cross, then Jesus' hands would have been placed above His head with a nail driven through His wrists. Since the wrists would most likely overlap, only one nail is needed through both wrists. However, some Jehovah's Witnesses have maintained that Jesus' hands may have been placed one higher than another on the stake. The reason they say this is because of John 20:25 ,

  "The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe."

  Notice the use of the word nails (plural) in reference to hands (plural). This is strong evidence that Jesus was crucified on a cross with outstretched hands -- one nail in each hand which would explain the plural nails. If Jesus was crucified on a stake then both hands would have been placed above his head and only one nail would have been needed to go through both hands. Again, it says "...in his hands the print of the nails..."
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  JW Light just went crazy...Interfaith and the Catholic Church

  by Krystal in

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  been doing alot of reading on this new pope and i read something that made my little jw alarm bells go off:.

  " pope benedict xvi outlined goals for his papacy today, including the unification of all christians and reaching out to people of other faiths.".

  http://www.cnn.com/.

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  Willyloman, I must agree with you on this type of reaction from the JW.
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  JW Light just went crazy...Interfaith and the Catholic Church

  by Krystal in

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  been doing alot of reading on this new pope and i read something that made my little jw alarm bells go off:.

  " pope benedict xvi outlined goals for his papacy today, including the unification of all christians and reaching out to people of other faiths.".

  http://www.cnn.com/.

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  crazy, crazy, crazy,

  Krystal, I can?t see a interfaith thing happening, I mean, Catholics follow the catechism which is apparently more accurate than the Bible and the Christians I know follow the Bible