in today's wt "study, "merci" a lot of gaslighting.
on one hand: you will be judged the way you are judging, but twice "david" is seen as needlessly killing or intending to kill people for minor transgression, .
1) getting ready to kill nabel, all males not paying his extortion fees, and .
WATON:
I was always bothered by the fact the JW religion seemed to give David of the Old Testament a ‘pass’ for whatever mistake or wrongdoing he did!
I assumed it was because the religion considers ITSELF like David and thinks it deserves a ‘pass’ for whatever mistakes IT makes.
2017 tony morris jw gb.
"the end is imminent!".
timestamp (06:00).
HOSER:
Yes, it’s very true.
JWs sit there not paying attention to the clock on the wall which is ticking away - meanwhile old age and poor health come when they weren’t looking!..What a sad thing for somebody to be believing they don’t have to provide for their old age because ‘Armageddon’ was coming. Meanwhile, those who led them to believe this fallacy are well provided for and maybe never worked a day in their lives!
I had a conversation with a JW I knew from years ago. This person knows I am not active in the religion. We talked about somebody’s son who got sent home from bethel. I said “at least he’s young enough to get a job..but what about those older over age 55 who got sent home?” The JW then says: “oh, they won’t be let go until they reach Social Security age”. I said “Nope, somebody has to Pay into SS in order to collect it”. (Otherwise: A person would either have to be a spouse of somebody who paid into it or be a dependent.). The JW then said, “Well..He’s a merciful God”…
This person (like some other JWs) believes inaccuracies and is isolated from the Real world.
main not maim.
picked this answer up on quora.
please add other apostate "lies" you are aware of.. "jehovah's witnesses cannot refute the facts in the so-called “ lies” against them, and when they do, they shamelessly lie and tell half-truths to defend their mind-controlling sect.. their new york based leaders tell them that anything negative said about their sect is a “ lie “ from “ mentally diseased, bitter apostates”.. jws are yet to come to terms with the fact that we are in the information age and they can no longer get away with lying to protect their organisation.. for example, one of the “ lies “ told about them is that they shun anyone who leaves the cult , including family members, including their own children.. another “ lie “ is that jws are ready to allow their children to die rather than accept a life-saving blood transfusion.. the child sex abuse coverup in the cult is also said to be a “lie “.
VANDERHOVEN7:
That’s a very good post you quoted from this ‘Gillies Gray’.
I also think that most ex-JWs take pains to be accurate when they bring criticism against the religion. As stated, there is absolutely No reason to lie or even exaggerate because the religion’s own past literature is more than sufficient to make them look bad.
Very few JWs will even listen when somebody tries to point out legitimate criticisms. Most are Not interested from what I could see. A few may even get nasty and sound mentally unhinged if somebody tries to engage them in a conversation criticizing the religion or its policies. They may even start spewing un-Christian speech.. I have noticed that nowadays JWs are more likely to sound this way, sadly.
I’m just glad I’m no longer involved.
i don't think that it's too early to start this thread so .
merry christmas everyone.
maybe people could share christmas music or clips to get us all in the mood.
Yes, Merry Christmas to everyone!
I was raised Roman Catholic so I had the whole Christmas and holiday experience that Jehovah’s Witness children would be deprived of..I could understand why it would mean nothing if somebody didn’t experience it as a child.
I love all the colorful lights, baking, aromas, the tradition and getting together with relatives. Before this pandemic hit, it was enjoyable to go shopping and see decorated malls and stores. I know Christmas can be cheesy with stupid songs but I ignore this. I have good childhood memories of it.
I always felt the REAL reason the JW religion disapproves of this and other holidays is that they don’t want a JW to associate with non-JW family or friends! Never mind the ‘pagan’ bullsh#t. Most everything has pagan origins, even the days of the week. No, this is just a cover excuse.
Bottom line:.. I suspect they very much fear the JW will experience friendship and unconditional love from people who are not judging them every minute and will grow to like it (or remember it) and perhaps may not want to remain in the JW religion anymore!
So, enjoy your Christmas dinner! 🎄🎁
frequently asked questions.
if i accept a bible study, will i be pressured to become one of jehovah’s witnesses?.
jehovah’s witnesses love teaching people about the bible, but we never pressure anyone to join our religion.
RULES & REGULATIONS:
As far as I was concerned, JWs didn’t have true bible studies. What they HAVE with potential recruits are really ‘literature’ studies.
It was a study of the Do’s and Don’ts of their religion..Their bible was picked up now and then and a scripture would be read to supposedly ‘back up’ whatever teaching they were highlighting!
i listened to geoffrey jackson’s latest talk “assisting our brothers materially “.
jackson presented some arguments, one of which was….jesus did not stop the widow from putting money in the contribution box in the temple.
basically saying regardless of your financial situation you have to donate.
ROAD TO NOWHERE:
Interesting that you point out ‘they look for some with the means to donate’. Well, isn’t this the truth?
These Witness hypocrites knock college/ careers and anybody with a decent job is criticized as ‘materialistic’ and ‘not spiritual’. This is why I’m glad I’m not sitting there now because I would refuse to be targeted to give money to anybody there. I know I’ve said this a million times and I can’t stress it enough.
I always said, even years ago, that I didn’t want to be anywhere near JWs when reality hit them. I meant it.
I got criticized and shunned for having a full-time job! Thankfully, I held on to this job until Retirement. If I had listened to JWs I would be in a very bad predicament now. I would be, as the expression goes, ‘Shit Out of Luck’. Therefore, I’m not in the least bit interested in anybody’s hard luck stories there.
Good luck to them but I don’t want these idiots coming anywhere near me.
YOMAMA:
Maybe yes in the circumstance of disfellowshipping. In this instance, the religion thinks it has a right to interfere with people’s free moral agency.
In other minor things though, when ‘dominant’ 🙄 people in a congregation decide they don’t like something or someone, anybody SEEN going against their opinion will become the object of their petty revenge. It’s the same in the world.
Even if somebody is not announced as Df’d they can still be shunned because somebody in a dominant clique said so. I had this happen to me and I knew where it was coming from. I ignored it. The problem with the shunning routine is that it only works with an audience. So, by my ignoring what was happening and not running up to somebody and saying ‘what’s wrong’, I deprived the shunner of their audience. Sure enough, it stopped but I was past the point of caring at that time.
Maybe I didn’t react or care about these Witness charades because I had no family in the religion and (thankfully) had my secular job and an acquaintance or two outside. Who can say? All I know is it was easy to ‘Fade’ when the time came.
I see you have made several threads and posts on ‘Shunning’ so I assume this has hurt you deeply and for that I’m sorry.
actually you can hear it from the governing body himself (jehovah's witnesses leaders) and visualise it with this video… .
welcome to jehovah's witness paradise!.
https://youtu.be/ssd0kymdzt8.
HOSER:
Good thought. That is a good fictitious description of the mindset behind how the whole thing would presumably work! All based on Fear, of course, because JW is a Fear-based religion.
Someone would ‘purchase’ the so-called warranty with their lifetime, meetings, $, recruiting new people to do the same thing, etc. and ‘maybe’ they can avoid that terrible fate and get ‘everlasting life in a new system’. The problem is (as you pointed out) there were so many past warranty periods the religion went through. Many people are dead and gone. But, yet the religion wants desperately to hang on to that ‘devotion’! They never really got any from me though.
PUNK OF NICE:
Yes, I can see there are some true believers on the forum.
a small incident happened to me today that has triggered me to say this.. how many of you have seen that jw are fairly hopeless and being anywhere on time.. an obvious one is the families that never miss a meeting and never miss arriving late with resultant fuss.
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but in day to day things as well.arriving late for a paid job.. leaving early, ditto.. not turning up for a bbq without even a phone call.. being in all things disorganized.. and, how many of you have seen the above become the norm in people once they become jw that were not that way before....
HOSER:
I can certainly believe these nervy bastards would try to tamper with the lives of younger people there!
I remember the person who I studied with having the nerve to once say: “well maybe now is a good time to get fired”. Sure, what the hell did THEY care? It wasn’t their life.
They were old and collecting a pension from THEIR younger days in the workforce like other older people there!..But, yet these hypocrites tried to push poverty on ME. Different rules for thee but not for me? But, I would not be manipulated. They couldn’t stand a young woman who made her own way in the world..There was also a ‘misery loves company’ mentality or even a jealousy there I detected. I minded my own business but certain people there resented me anyway.
I am so glad I resisted these older Witnesses and their controlling nerviness!.. They made sure I wasn’t invited anywhere, but so what? I’m Retired today.
as the title says, we are nearly at the end of the 2nd year of the 2020’s, and already jw org is not only a car crash, but an absolute train wreck.. i’ve watched the annual meeting 2021 already, and it seems the gb are in fighting, morris openly disagreeing with lett, that is massive, and it’s something that has largely not been commented on by this community.
covid-19 is not going anywhere, any trial meetings will surely be shut down, now omicron is doing the rounds.. it looks highly likely we will see a second negative growth year.
“young ones” are waking up by the masses.
SLIMBOYFAT:
Yes, I’m sure it’s true that other religions also have people among them who may not truly ‘believe’. But, I do not believe it’s quite the same comparison to Witnesses who do not truly believe.
These people in other religions still attend or associate because some aspect is desirable to them. They can come and go and not give it a second thought..It is NOT the same with JWs because they are Compelled to ‘fake it’ because of the shunning, losing family and possible loss of business connections and in some cases employment - even if they are marginal (as I was but I didn’t need these idiots since I had a full-time job). JWs are under duress in a way. There are very real financial and other life consequences for them!
Also, people in other religions probably have worldly employment and can navigate their way through society. In contrast, not every JW can - especially if born-in. So, they Must make it look good and be a halfway decent actor.
Many JWs are waiting for the minute they can disappear or ‘Fade’ as it is known - in some cases changing phone numbers and not answering their doors!
