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  Experiences with kiss up kick down Jehovahs witnesses

  by hoser in

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  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/kiss_up_kick_down.

  i’ll go first.. in a previous congregation we had a pioneer couple that have since gone on to be gilead graduates and are now either in circuit work or translation.

  they checked all the boxes off the societies list so they were exemplary.

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  LV101:

  I was also ecstatic when I realized I was done with them over two decades ago.

  But, I couldn’t have known then how much the economy and the JW religion would change. The religion shockingly so. When I left I was surrounded by mostly affluent homeowner types and some arrogant overly confident pioneers. There were no panhandlers there..yet..and no hint of the neediness to come. The economy hadn’t hit rock bottom yet and the pioneers were so certain the End would come ‘soon’. They had no worries they didn’t plan for retirement. Also, that downsizing at bethel hadn’t really begun yet…Nobody had a clue…

  When I said years back I didn’t want to be anywhere near JWs when reality hit them I couldn’t have imagined it all would come to this with the religion and all the unprepared people in it. What’s a bigger kick in the rear end is how many have left the religion leaving all those remaining ‘faithful’ like they played a game of musical chairs and were left without a seat when the music stopped!
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  Experiences with kiss up kick down Jehovahs witnesses

  by hoser in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/kiss_up_kick_down.

  i’ll go first.. in a previous congregation we had a pioneer couple that have since gone on to be gilead graduates and are now either in circuit work or translation.

  they checked all the boxes off the societies list so they were exemplary.

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  SEA BREEZE:

  You’re so right about people being abused twice there. First, a person is wronged, then they are supposed to not react or do anything about it. The scammer, fraudster or whoever just gets away with it..to do it to somebody else!

  This may not be exactly the same thing: but a person who worked and supported themselves (like a responsible person should) and got criticized/not invited anywhere and was labeled ‘not spiritual’ could also in a sense be ‘abused twice’.. If this person still stuck around like some sucker after all that happened to them and ended up later on giving money to useless deadbeats there who never wanted to work!

  This is the biggest reason I’m Glad I walked away from the JW religion years ago. I would never tolerate these people coming near me looking for anything. I knew I wanted to be far away from them when Reality hit them.
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  Experiences with kiss up kick down Jehovahs witnesses

  by hoser in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/kiss_up_kick_down.

  i’ll go first.. in a previous congregation we had a pioneer couple that have since gone on to be gilead graduates and are now either in circuit work or translation.

  they checked all the boxes off the societies list so they were exemplary.

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  HOSER:

  Even though I may have seen types of JWs that you describe, thankfully, I never had any interaction with them.

  I was NEVER impressed or interested in anybody with titles there and would never have given any of them so much as a dime. Anybody there who thought of themselves as a clergy class deserving to be ‘paid’ and deserving of freebies was out of luck as far as I was concerned. Let them go ask the religion..You don’t get to criticize responsible working people making remarks like ‘unspiritual’ and then imagine they are going to give you charity.👎

  I’m sorry you had this bad experience.

  As far as ‘taking your so-called brother to court’, I certainly would have which was why I stayed the hell away from these entitled deadbeats.. I didn’t even look at them.
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  Watchtower's NEW Legal Learning Studio

  by Newly Enlightened in

  1. watchtower
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  https://youtu.be/qn4z2uzsabm.

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  HOSER:

  I can’t feel sorry for stupid JWs.

  Anybody who was in this religion/ organization for decades had to have seen the results of what happens to people who got college/career versus those who did not. People reached retirement age with no preparation whatsoever in a terrible predicament!!.. I saw poor older stragglers in the congregation who were pinching pennies. I could see they weren’t well respected. Yet, I had some busybody older people telling me ‘I should quit my job’.. I’m Thankful today I ignored those bastards.

  Even the stupidest ‘worldly’ person knows they need to prepare for retirement. Even a person with no ambition who had a so-so job and worked full time at least built up credits for SS and Medicare. This is better than the absolutely nothing the Witness has because they were convinced they needed to make the sacrifice be in the full-time ministry..So, now the scenario is there are too many needy with their hands out in this collapsing religion nobody wants to be in or around!.. I’m glad I got out years ago.
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  Help please.

  by lastmanstanding in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  recently, in the past few months, and this only applies to in dubs who might have taken note, the watchtower study edition made a change.

  it mentioned the “warning work” where dubs are going to march around and proclaim everyone is going to die.. anyway, this article said it was now only a possibility, not a sure thing.. i can’t find it.

  did watchtology change it already?.

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  LASTMANSTANDING:

  I remember many years ago they said their warning work would change to a message of condemnation at the doors.

  I always wondered how they were going to pull this off. Would they go up to a door and say to the person: “Hello, we are to preach a message of condemnation to you because you did not join our religion, therefore, you will be destroyed soon along with everybody else.”

  Since I am a twenty-one year Fader, I am not up to date on what they believe. Although, when I corresponded with an old JW acquaintance over a year ago, they sounded like the wicked witch and were certain this was the end because of Covid. (I think many JWs thought this.)..This person had a very punishing tone saying “they were ALL warned..” I wondered if she included ME because I’m Out of the religion. 😒.

  When I had a conversation with her the end of last year her tone was a little more subdued.
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  Date a JW student

  by Renee86 in

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  can a witness date and court a jw student if he intends to get baptized?

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  RENEE86:

  Of course many JWs there were married to those outside the religion.

  The religion is made up of many converts over the years so it stands to reason they were once outside the religion. I was a convert from Catholicism (but I am now 21 years thankfully ‘Faded’ from the JW religion). I always felt the bad attitude the religion has toward somebody in the congregation looking for and dating somebody outside is absurd and should stop..Where the hell do they think they got the bulk of their present members from? They are certainly not all born-ins.

  I also thought most of this bias was directed at single female JWs who looked outside for a husband because there’s nobody there for them. The religion knows when a woman gets married they can’t just go up to her asking favors because the husband may tell them off..When the sister got married they lost a potential drudge to do favors. (But, they never got anywhere with me though.)

  So, as others have said, some will frown on a JW who is dating somebody outside. But, if two people want to be together I wish them all the best. In time, people there will get over it and come to accept the new person - especially when they see how many Witnesses are jumping ship and leaving the religion nowadays!
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  Are Jehovah’s Witnesses softening their view of Faders?

  by Darkknight757 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so my in-laws actually went out to dinner with us today.

  normally, since leaving in 2016, they wouldn’t eat with us or talk much to me.

  (since i did convince their daughter to leave the cult).

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  DARKKNIGHT757:

  Don't know if you are aware but there was something written recently that JWs are instructed to provide contact information that is ALLOWED to include non-JW family members and friends!

  I can’t say that in your case this is why their attitude towards you has softened. I also hope they don’t ‘want’ anything from you. Let’s hope it’s just goodwill. But, I have a suspicious nature and would keep on the watch, as they say. 😉
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  Michael's Story (JW commits suicide)

  by RolRod in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is the story of michael.

  a 4th generation jw.

  elder, husband, father with relational ties to marley cole.. pimo, stepped down as elder, and the body went after him tooth and nail.

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  MUM:

  That is correct that ‘good little JWs have no escape hatch’. This is by design but they don’t realize it. It is all about control and insuring they have no place to turn to when the whole thing goes to shit. This was the sad situation this poor guy was in.

  When I joined as a young working adult, they told me I shouldn’t bother with my non-JW family and get rid of my ‘worldly’ friends. I was told I should only have friends who are Jehovah’s Witnesses. They said everybody else was no good and the world was under the influence of the devil.

  I held onto my non-JW friends for years until we grew apart. MY job was my ‘escape hatch’ although I couldn’t have known it at the time. It was one place where I was free and the religion had no control there. When I saw the ‘handwriting on the wall’ about the religion and knew I had to get out - I made sure I rekindled old acquaintances and contacted relatives!

  JWs who want a way out have to quietly and cleverly establish some friends and contacts outside the religion for when the day comes they have to jump ship. I hope any lurkers can learn from this very sad story!
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  A long conversation with mom

  by Foolednomore in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my mom has been on the fence for awhile.

  she has done a laundry list for watchtower.

  so i asked her, would you continue to invest in a company that promises outrageous dividends but never delivers?

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  FOOLEDNOMORE:

  Very good for looking after your mom now that she is in a vulnerable mental state!

  We did the same with my Dad in his mental decline the years before he died. Even though we weren’t Jehovah’s Witnesses he was targeted left and right. I remember once yelling into the phone at some young female who kept calling him about the car warranty. I was on the other extension listening in. I told her she called three times that day and Never call again.. Some of these pains in the ass are legit but Will stop harassing a senior when they Know family members are on the scene looking out for them!.. As for the others that are just predators looking out for what they can get, you just have to be vigilant in blocking numbers, freezing credit reports, etc. This is a terrible reality in this day and age.

  If I were still in the religion (which I’m Glad I’m not) I would be directly bothered for money along with anybody who looks halfway decent. Doesn’t matter that I was criticized for my full-time job. They have selective memory loss and it sounds like they are in desperation mode.. I don’t want anything to do with them… Why would anybody in their right mind want to be around this? 👎
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  A long conversation with mom

  by Foolednomore in

  1. jw
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  my mom has been on the fence for awhile.

  she has done a laundry list for watchtower.

  so i asked her, would you continue to invest in a company that promises outrageous dividends but never delivers?

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  FOOLEDNOMORE:

  Maybe your mom doesn’t want to leave the JW religion because her whole life revolves around it. It doesn’t matter if she sees all the broken promises because she’s there for the ‘friends’ she has..As long as YOU can see it who cares if she wants to stay in.

  SIGFRID MALLOZZI:

  I know about ‘older ones’ who have too much time invested there. But, if anybody analyzes the whole thing .. the JW religion itself cannot deliver ANYTHING. They are telling people that somebody ELSE namely, God, is going to deliver! The ever sought-after carrot on the stick (Paradise), is supposedly going to be delivered by somebody ELSE.

  I remember how they constantly berated everybody that whatever they did was never enough. It wasn’t enough that I did my few hours of service on the weekends. No, I was supposed to give up my full-time job and pursue poverty to be in the ministry (so said the hypocrites with cushy lives already collecting THEIR pensions). I wouldn’t be retired today if I followed this garbage.

  I’m so glad I walked away from all this. It was so unhealthy mentally.