Posts by LongHairGal

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Looking at things from Jehovah's perspective...actually, the Watchtower Society's perspective

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

the watchtower—study edition | march 2022. study article 12. do you see what zechariah saw?.

11. what challenges do some of jehovah’s worshippers face today?.

11 change is challenging for many of us.

LongHairGal

RULES & REGULATIONS:

I always hated when they tried to make a comparison between something from bible times and the present. In this case, they are trying to get people to view something unpleasant they are doing in a positive light 🤮.

All these people who got kicked to the curb are ending up in congregations to join all the other unprepared and needy individuals living on the edge. Too many all in one place. What most have in common is: being told they didn’t need a well-paying job or pension because ‘Armageddon was coming’.. Problem is they reached retirement age first.. The ones who got kicked to the curb helped print articles saying just that!..How silly is that?

I might have mentioned to you in another thread that it’s very charitable of your brother and other elders to give a$$istance to these COs who lost their position.

Articles like this are just a reminder to me that congregations of JWs with all the ‘needy’ who never wanted to work are No place that I would want to be! ..I’m not Out because of this but it just adds another reason to stay away!

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You can [not] trust the Brothers, wt study this week

by waton in

for the lucid lurkers: # 37. the article's examples really show, that among the 'name people' only 50 % of rank and file, and none of the leaders can be trusted all the time.

but, shut up and put up.. eli and hannah, eli's sons committed gross sins, raping/ seducing woman visitors to the temple, for years, yet naive worshippers are to trust their brothers, even with their children ?

inaction by wt approved?

LongHairGal

HOSER:

Yes, and that’s that. It’s good your wife told that irresponsible sister she needs to manage her money better. But, I’m sure the advice went in one ear and out the other.

These people actually believe they are going to be asking everybody for money every step of the way. But, there’s that pesky fact that keeps popping up: they criticized responsible people for working at a decent job. That disqualifies them, in my opinion, for asking for money.

I also don’t want anybody telling me it’s a ‘brotherhood’. Well, they couldn’t have been my brothers and I certainly couldn’t have been their ‘sister’ years ago when I was treated like an outcast because I refused to quit my full time job and take up housecleaning and pioneering.. Luckily, I had friends outside (which they hated).

When I started my ‘Fade’ years later I made sure I rekindled all those friendships!

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You can [not] trust the Brothers, wt study this week

by waton in

for the lucid lurkers: # 37. the article's examples really show, that among the 'name people' only 50 % of rank and file, and none of the leaders can be trusted all the time.

but, shut up and put up.. eli and hannah, eli's sons committed gross sins, raping/ seducing woman visitors to the temple, for years, yet naive worshippers are to trust their brothers, even with their children ?

inaction by wt approved?

LongHairGal

WATON:

Good you are active for your age. I am many years out with a few single women JW friends I occasionally keep in touch with. One gets financial help from non-JW relatives. They imagine they can entice me back. They can’t. I explained to them what I would face with regard to being asked for money and what my response would be.

From what I have heard, the ‘needy’ don’t actively or obviously look for handouts nor would the congregations offer it. They would be discouraged from asking because it’s bad ‘optics’.

Everything is done privately or quietly- unless it’s like the woman who came up to me. Otherwise, elders do it on their behalf. 🙄 When I was ‘in’ elders would privately approach me with an envelope. They don’t DO this in front of other people - and they know WHO to approach.

I would never presume to tell anybody else what to do. But, I’m the one who got criticized for my full-time job, and I would never forget this.. I don’t want anybody with selective memory loss coming near me asking for anything for anybody. Other people can throw their money around like confetti. That’s their business.

It is also good that you mention about local ‘wealthy’ benefactors taking care of retired COs/DOs.. I would certainly never give anything to them after they criticized responsible working people like myself.

As far as local financial predators preying on ‘retirees’ and the ‘naive’, I would be immune to them. It’s just as well I am out many years. My JW friends can hope in vain because I’d never deal with any of this!

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You can [not] trust the Brothers, wt study this week

by waton in

for the lucid lurkers: # 37. the article's examples really show, that among the 'name people' only 50 % of rank and file, and none of the leaders can be trusted all the time.

but, shut up and put up.. eli and hannah, eli's sons committed gross sins, raping/ seducing woman visitors to the temple, for years, yet naive worshippers are to trust their brothers, even with their children ?

inaction by wt approved?

LongHairGal

HELLOTHERE:

I guess time will tell what happens with the JWs. I’m Glad I got out ages ago.

I would never get involved with any religion or movement ever again. You don’t need religion to be spiritual.

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You can [not] trust the Brothers, wt study this week

by waton in

for the lucid lurkers: # 37. the article's examples really show, that among the 'name people' only 50 % of rank and file, and none of the leaders can be trusted all the time.

but, shut up and put up.. eli and hannah, eli's sons committed gross sins, raping/ seducing woman visitors to the temple, for years, yet naive worshippers are to trust their brothers, even with their children ?

inaction by wt approved?

LongHairGal

WATON:

You sound like you are an active Witness. I got out ages ago.

Events of the Old Testament were over two thousand years ago that we can’t do anything about now.

I do agree that people like David got away with murder. I always wondered why the JW religion held him in such high regard, hmmm.😉

But, getting back to the here and now, what I mentioned is what’s happening in the damn religion in RECENT times. That’s mostly why I got the hell out of there. Not because of David or what others in the Old Testament did or did not do.

I almost hate the bible now.

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You can [not] trust the Brothers, wt study this week

by waton in

for the lucid lurkers: # 37. the article's examples really show, that among the 'name people' only 50 % of rank and file, and none of the leaders can be trusted all the time.

but, shut up and put up.. eli and hannah, eli's sons committed gross sins, raping/ seducing woman visitors to the temple, for years, yet naive worshippers are to trust their brothers, even with their children ?

inaction by wt approved?

LongHairGal

FOOLEDNOMORE:

Yes, this was begging on a personal level and not just from the platform. It would be bad enough if this was on the street. But, inside the hall?

I could see if it was a situation where somebody I knew lost their wallet or God forbid was victimized and needed to get home. But, what we are talking about here is plain old panhandling and I recall seeing this woman doing this once before. This is the low life behavior that has made itself known inside the kingdom hall.

As far as the JW who had the audacity to come into your place begging: ..you were correct to tell him he should be out earning a wage somewhere!

Anybody active in the religion is seeing the shitstorm created by knocking careers and retirement planning! Now all these people got old and are unprepared and panicked. The economy is shit. Congregations are filled with too many people who are needy because they followed the religion’s bad advice.. Anybody anywhere in any hall who looks halfway decent (like I did) is going to be targeted - either by panhandlers themselves OR some stupid brother who will corner you like a sneaky rat with an envelope looking for money for somebody who never wanted to work.

The Question is:..who’s going to stick around and tolerate this garbage? Not me.

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You can [not] trust the Brothers, wt study this week

by waton in

for the lucid lurkers: # 37. the article's examples really show, that among the 'name people' only 50 % of rank and file, and none of the leaders can be trusted all the time.

but, shut up and put up.. eli and hannah, eli's sons committed gross sins, raping/ seducing woman visitors to the temple, for years, yet naive worshippers are to trust their brothers, even with their children ?

inaction by wt approved?

LongHairGal

BIAHI:

No, the nervy ‘B’ didn’t state an amount. My answer would have been No whatever way she worded it.

She just came up to me while I was in my seat before the meeting got started. It was just a run of the mill plea for money I heard many times before from panhandlers. However, I was appalled to encounter this at the kingdom hall.

This is what the religion has turned into, apparently, and I’m Glad I’m not there anymore. So, it’s not just that I don’t believe Witness teachings anymore or am not tolerating their intrusiveness and disrespect. But, the icing on the cake is that I would have to fend off this shit as well. Not happening.

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Article: The Crypto Ponzi Scheme Avenger - [A former JW]

by AndersonsInfo in

jw
friends

(this article is available by subscription only so i copied and pasted it below.).

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/11/business/crypto-ponzi-scheme-hyperfund.html.

here's part of the information about mr. de hek's past as a jw:.

LongHairGal

ANDERSONSINFO:

Your friend’s email is right on target.

I agree with their words that the JWs have ‘no actual product’, ‘just illustrations and spin’.

What people also have to remember is that the religion itself cannot deliver any of these supernatural promises and speculations. (I know this should be painfully obvious but people don’t think.)

People are assured that somebody ELSE (namely God) is going to bring about all the wonderful things the religion talks about like: paradise earth, the resurrection and ‘perfection’, beautiful scenery and fruit platters and smiling people depicted in beautiful artwork in their books/literature.

The religion itself is not able to actually make any of this wishful thinking happen.

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You can [not] trust the Brothers, wt study this week

by waton in

for the lucid lurkers: # 37. the article's examples really show, that among the 'name people' only 50 % of rank and file, and none of the leaders can be trusted all the time.

but, shut up and put up.. eli and hannah, eli's sons committed gross sins, raping/ seducing woman visitors to the temple, for years, yet naive worshippers are to trust their brothers, even with their children ?

inaction by wt approved?

LongHairGal

I don’t know why anybody should be surprised.

You’ve got the perfect situation with Witnesses to be taken advantage of by anybody and everybody. These people have let down their personal boundaries. This is a very bad thing because everyone should have boundaries of some sort. I was not raised a JW but came in a young working adult. I saw right away they try to chip away at your boundaries. They think it’s about ‘love’ and brotherly-ness but it’s really about exploitation. They pull this mostly with single women but I suppose a gullible brother can be a victim. They also act like you supposedly can trust everybody there. I am friends with an ex-JW woman who was suspicious back in the day when a certain couple in the hall wanted her to just leave her very young daughter with them for an afternoon! Her instincts told her No and she declined.

You also have a mentality of deadbeatism and people who imagine they can be forgiven for anything.

As I might have said previously: at least when I was in I was basically surrounded by suburban homeowner types. Maybe a con-artist type would appear from time to time in the form of somebody’s ‘friend’ visiting. This person was oh so spiritual and gave long flowery answers, etc. They ended up being invited everywhere but I think people’s delight was short lived when the person started asking for money and crying a river about hard luck, and so on. I think this was common in the Witness religion. But, I still wasn’t threatened by this because they were few and far between.

But, NOW, with all the responsible older people having passed away (and many others left)..a different demographic remains of more ‘needy’ (which can mean a lot of things). FORGET ABOUT IT…. I wouldn’t tolerate anybody making a bee-line over to me asking for money! Like when I was at a memorial in later years and a visiting woman did this.. My ‘NO’ to her was certainly loud enough for people around me to hear.

This is what I (who was knocked for working full-time) would encounter if I were stupid enough to ever get involved with this religion again.. I have explained this to the few JWs I know.. And to any JW lurkers:..nobody wants to be around panhandlers and you’ve got another thought coming if you imagine that responsible-looking person you see at the hall owes you anything!

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You can [not] trust the Brothers, wt study this week

by waton in

for the lucid lurkers: # 37. the article's examples really show, that among the 'name people' only 50 % of rank and file, and none of the leaders can be trusted all the time.

but, shut up and put up.. eli and hannah, eli's sons committed gross sins, raping/ seducing woman visitors to the temple, for years, yet naive worshippers are to trust their brothers, even with their children ?

inaction by wt approved?

LongHairGal

FOOLEDNOMORE:

Back when I was in decades ago I have to say that the elders in the congregations were basically decent men - even if you didn’t like their personalities!

I’ve been out for about twenty-two years. Sorry that everything seems to have gone further downhill in the JW religion.. No way I could be around any of this now.. Any diehards still wanting to stick around with this..good luck.