Posts by LongHairGal

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Does the Watchtower/JW Organization Regard its Readers & JWs as Fools and are they Secretly Laughing at Them?

by Disillusioned JW in

does the watchtower/jw organization regard its readers & jws as fools and are they secretly laughing at them?

for some examples consider the following.. the wt literature has many times used odd language where they say one thing but word it in such a way as to suggest something else.

they have said that a number of jws drew incorrect expectations about a number of things, including about 1914 and 1975, though it was the wt itself which proclaimed and taught those expectations in the wt's literature to jws.

LongHairGal

DISILLUSIONED JW:

I always thought so.

I also felt maybe they said outrageous things to DARE people to disagree so that they could pounce on somebody. Unfortunately, you heard crickets as the stupid ‘sheeplike’ people just went along with whatever was said.

From what I read online it seems they are saying ever nervier things!

Thankfully, I was never the type to go along with the crowd back then or I would be in a serious predicament today.. In my opinion, any JWs at this late date STILL pursuing poverty and avoiding college/careers on the say-so of hypocrites.. (in spite of ample warning seeing older people reaching retirement age unprepared, Bethelites kicked out and other needy types in the congregation)..deserve absolutely No pity from anybody.

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Annual Meeting

by sove in

jw
friends

is it the annual meeting this weekend?

any insights on "new light" or new releases?.

LongHairGal

GORB:

Yes, absolutely right that they try to blame individual JWs in congregations for following what they were told they should do.

Younger people had hard pressure to supposedly ‘put the kingdom first’ 🙄 and not get decent jobs (because to do so would indicate you didn’t have faith and you were shunned to a degree like I was)..I was there and I remember older JWs with cushy lives (because THEY were in the workforce) telling ME I should quit my decent job with benefits and do housecleaning in addition to being in the full time ministry!!!

This never made any sense to me and I paid no attention to these hypocrites. I am Retired now and any young Witnesses then who followed the bad advice are suffering TODAY and are poor and get help from non-JW relatives or in some instances begging and trying to guilt-trip other JWs to give them money!

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1995 generation change

by Gorb in

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friends

now, many years later, i remember the 1995 generation change, very well.. since early youth, hearing my father explaining in field service the 2520 years.

it was his main theme in the field.. with the change my doubts started.

with some jw friends we did not trust the organization anymore.

LongHairGal

SIMON:

I agree with you that the Baby Boomers at least here in the US had a very favorable situation when they were young with regard to jobs and careers in comparison with today.. Now you’ve got college kids who can’t find a job.

Back then, a person could get a decent position with benefits even without college. I even heard of one or two high school dropouts who managed and are retired now!

The point being that JW Baby Boomers in too many instances threw away their chances for basic security in senior years with both hands ..daydreaming about the ‘new system’! And I am not talking about fabulous riches either:..I’m talking about basic Social Security and even a modest IRA or pension plan to live on. This is so scary to think about it makes me ill.

This is why I’m glad I resisted attempts by older hypocrites with cushy lives pushing poverty for young naive people.

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1995 generation change

by Gorb in

jw
friends

now, many years later, i remember the 1995 generation change, very well.. since early youth, hearing my father explaining in field service the 2520 years.

it was his main theme in the field.. with the change my doubts started.

with some jw friends we did not trust the organization anymore.

LongHairGal

DESIROUSOFCHANGE:

Yes, it is certainly true there are JWs with the mentality that they can accumulate debt like the couple you mention. They figure Armageddon will come so they won’t need to worry about paying it.

But, isn’t this a repeat of what supposedly happened before the 1975 fiasco? History is repeating itself yet again. Except the couple you mention at least have a house they can keep refinancing with! So, at least somebody isn’t going around with an envelope asking money for THEM at least.

What about JWs who unwisely sold their homes and lived off the proceeds because they figured Armageddon would come before the money ran out and now they are broke? Also, what about those who dropped out of the workforce before retirement age to go live in some nice place or where the ‘need was greater’ and they ran out of money?? ..These are all in addition to the usual run-of-the-mill JWs in congregations who lived on the edge pioneering and didn’t plan for the future. I don’t even need to get into other JWs with serious ‘issues’ who may never have worked at all..but who were brought into the religion in recent decades.

There are entirely TOO MANY needy people in the JW religion..practically most of which put themselves in this position because they believed they didn’t need to work or plan for their future the way normal people in the world do..Somebody like me who was knocked for doing just that would have to be Out of My Mind to even want to be around these people and the self-made disaster they are in.

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Steven Hassan on CNN today

by dropoffyourkeylee in

a little surprised to see steven hassan interviewed today on cnn about the anti-vax believers and cult tactics.

here is the link:.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/health/2021/10/02/steven-hassan-cult-misinformation-anti-vaxxers-ndwknd-vpx.cnn.

LongHairGal

DISILLUSIONED JW and FFGHOST:

I do not consider myself an ‘anti-vaxxer’ but have not gotten this particular vaccine..not yet anyway.

I dearly hope to God for the sake of all the millions who have gotten these vaccines (including my relatives and friends)..that you are right in your opinion and that you can keep laughing at and being scornful of people who are afraid to get it..I really do hope you are right!

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Do you know of any elder that should not have been appointed?

by Iamallcool in

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friends

any takers?.

LongHairGal

JOEY JOJO:

With regard to that CO you say was a ‘successful architect’ but was on the podium giving a Sunday talk about how ‘wrong’ higher education is: I would have also been shaking my head hearing this hypocrisy!

How many young people in the audience were influenced to pursue poverty listening to his hypocritical garbage? Hopefully this wasn’t too long ago and anybody who made the mistake of acting on this nonsense can rectify their error. Pity if this was many years ago and such people reached retirement age with little or no preparation. Somebody like this deserves to have needy people who listened to his advice on his doorstep asking for help.

I cannot stress enough that I despise these hypocritical JWs with cushy lives who preached poverty to ME. They tried to interfere and ruin my life back when I was younger. I can get down on my hands and knees in thankfulness that I NEVER listened to this nonsense or I would not be Retired today!

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Do you know of any elder that should not have been appointed?

by Iamallcool in

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friends

any takers?.

LongHairGal

LAMALLCOOL:

In my opinion, definitely one person and possibly another.

From what I observed, Holy Spirit had nothing to do with appointment of elders. In some cases, it seemed somebody wanted it like a political candidate running for office! Then, if there was a need and if there was no opposition from anybody ‘influential’...voila ..there was a new elder. Whether he turned out to be good or bad was anybody’s guess.

SOLOMON:

I am also struck by what I read or hear about elders who turn out to be rip-off artists of one sort or another.. I could not help but feel, sadly, that the JW religion (in general) has too many people who are very adept users. The question is: were they always like that OR did they learn they could get away with being like this?

I can honestly say I wanted No dealings with anybody there and that was back when I was pretty much a ‘believer’. Now..I’d run in the opposite direction!

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How did you learn the truth about the truth?

by Iamallcool in

any takers?.

LongHairGal

LAMALLCOOL:

It was a culmination of many things, but that 1995 changed teaching on Generation made me decide I had to get out of the JW religion.

I planned my ‘Fade’ and occupied myself going online and reading their hidden history. I uncovered a mountain of information that was shocking and validated my experiences. I also read ‘Crisis of Conscience’ which was a real eye opener.

My ‘Fade’ was made easier by the bad attitudes and unfriendliness I got from people in the religion because I had a full time job..But, it was worth it to be shunned by these idiots because I’m Retired now.

It was a breath of fresh air to finally be FREE and to pick up where I left off before I set foot in the hall and fell down a rabbit hole.. Good riddance!

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2021-September-27-Announcement-COVID Vaccinations!

by Atlantis in

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friends

2021-september-27-announcement-covid vaccinations.

https://www.filemail.com/d/nvhztnqzuiyilhb.

https://we.tl/t-jn7l6rjrxa.

LongHairGal

WING COMMANDER:

I totally believe as you do and I made a comment about it on the thread about the GB.

Yes, the Baby Boomers and those still around from the generation before them are in the most vulnerable category targeted by Covid. These are the most loyal of the religion’s supporters and probably contribute the most $. If they all died suddenly in the pandemic there wouldn’t just be no more $ but I believe the religion would actually collapse!

I also believe the other reasons for the push to vaccinate are because they fear loss of control without in-person meetings. .Zoom can’t cut it forever and people can turn off their cameras and do other things or be in their pajamas. It’s also possible there is outside pressure on all organizations to get their people vaccinated..But I think the first reason is the REAL pressing one. Just my guess.

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Is the Bethel Farm in Wallkill Co. still there?

by Etude in

i've been out of this loop (or any other) for a while.

can someone tell me if the bethel farm facilities are still there in wallkill county, ny?

i was there for about a year.

LongHairGal

ETUDE:

In reading your profile and the few posts here, you were in Bethel/farm only a few years. Am I right? If so, consider yourself fortunate (in spite of meeting cruel and unfair people) that you didn’t spend decades of your life there like other bethelites who got kicked out in their fifties because of downsizing..Can you imagine?

The story you relate about how the person above you is always ‘right’ even if they are wrong is something I heard before. Because of this there must be a high degree of inefficiency and mistakes at the bethels because somebody’s ego always needs to be placated and some subordinate person needs to learn their ‘place’..In the outside or Real world, this would be no way to run a business. No way could I have ever made it in that place!

Welcome back to the forum!