Posts by LongHairGal

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How did it come to this?

by New day in

i am now in my early 60’s.

i was baptized in 1980. i served as a ministerial servant and an elder.

i gave my all for many years but about eight years ago i started to question many things.

LongHairGal

JOEY JOJO:

This is an excellent thread and I agree with the OP and MAGNUM.

I am Out because of the 1995 Generation Teaching. That was the straw that broke the camel’s back. I also agree that the religion seemed better and more hopeful in the 1980s. But, that’s all over and I am ‘Faded’ almost 23 years. Even though I’m out I’m still shocked at what the religion has become. I also agree that honest people have to see something is wrong there.

I know a few JWs there. They are very medicated and not the types to question anything. In truth, they stayed too long. While we may hear about some older people who leave, I just don’t see them going anywhere.

I understand what you mean about how if you open your mouth and tell what you feel, you will lose whatever social network you have in the JWs. Luckily for me, I didn’t have much of a ‘social network’ because I was marginalized because I had a full-time job. I wasn’t part of the ‘In’ crowd. But, it made it much easier to do a ‘Fade’.. It’s great to be Out and away from the mess and the Users and cranky people there.

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Next Week's Watchtower Study Analysis

by raymond frantz in

https://youtu.be/jq02aglue3m.

LongHairGal

BETH SARIM:

Yes.. This is a culmination of decades of Witnesses who hardly ever worked - instead preferring the ministry. They are now reaching retirement age. Add to that people kicked out of bethels and sitting in congregations expecting handouts.. Oh, let’s not forget the other assorted JWs who were afraid of the workforce and ‘couldn’t hack it’ plus those with ‘serious issues’, etc., etc.

What we have here are too many needy people all in one place with too few responsible working people there - and a religion with no social programs.

This isn’t like the old days where people chipped in and bought a bag of groceries for somebody until they got back on their feet. These people are never getting back on their feet and expect handouts for the rest of their lives.

This is an appalling situation there and I’m Glad I got out ages ago.

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Every JW Elder In State Of Pennsylvania Subpoenaed

by JW GoneBad in

breaking news!

every jehovah’s witness elder in the 67 counties of pennsylvania are being given notice by state attorney's office to turn over any & all documents relating to child sex abuse cases!

watch attached video beginning at time-stamp 101:00...pay particular attention to what is said after 103:00.this is wild!.

LongHairGal

JW GONEBAD:

This is good to hear - although I wonder what it will yield?

The sad part about this is that my few JW friends are in a news blackout and probably don’t even know about this along with other things!

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Next Week's Watchtower Study Analysis

by raymond frantz in

https://youtu.be/jq02aglue3m.

LongHairGal

I believe this ‘helping others to endure difficult times’ (persecution, etc.) is really all about trying to get the rank & file JWs to ‘help’ people out there who are suffering financially because they were talked into not getting decent jobs/careers.. This is the main reason, in my opinion.

By helping out I mean being targeted to give money and whatever other material aid you can think of. They don’t care if you got knocked for working.

I said years ago that something like this was bound to happen with all these pioneers and others who never wanted to work!! I’m just so glad that I’m not around any of them now. I’m certainly not interested in being the answer to anybody’s prayer because they listened to faulty teachings and bad advice years ago!

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Jehovah Will Help You Deal With Life’s Uncertainties

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

library.

magazines.

the watchtower—study edition | april 2023. study article 17. jehovah will help you deal with life’s uncertainties.

LongHairGal

RULES & REGULATIONS:

All this talk about dealing with ‘life’s uncertainty’ and helping others through ‘difficult times’ is very timely.

This goes along with a recent post I saw on Reddit having to do with needy JWs being urged to seek help from ‘worldly’ charities, etc.

Let us not forget the reason for all this neediness is that there are too many Witnesses barely in the workforce and others with no retirement preparation whatsoever. Whose fault is this?? When these JWs were young they were strongly urged that they should be in the full-time ministry - and that Armageddon was sure to come and they wouldn’t need to plan for retirement. Any JW who refused (like I did) and had a decent job or career was shunned or marginalized.

Now, the religion is giving the impression that other people should be helping. They must imagine that responsible people in congregations are going to tolerate being targeted to give money to people who chose not to work.. This is outrageous. Again, I’m glad I’m not there anymore!!!

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Jw shot and killed in field service!

by nowwhat? in

another example of jehovah protects his people except when he doesn't.

https://www.wifr.com/2023/02/12/rockford-police-54-year-old-man-shot-killed-vehicle/.

LongHairGal

DIOGENESISTER:

Secret sin? What about the four US Witness missionaries murdered in Mexico by cartel members in the 1980s? I read how they died..positively gruesome and cruel. I remember when this happened saying to an elder that ‘this is not supposed to happen’. Well, it did.

Did these JWs have a secret sin too? Was that why the angels weren’t protecting them? I’m so Glad I’m Out of this religion and not endangering my life. But, I hate any JWs who make stupid remarks when they hear about a tragedy because they want to justify in their minds that there is a ‘reason’ why there was no protection.

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Does Jehovah have a visible organization?

by Vanderhoven7 in

why do jehovah’s witnesses say they are god’s organization so matter of factly as though such an audacious claim is an undisputable fact?

here is how one person sees this claim.. "the entire jehovah’s witness religion is founded on unsubstantiated hubristic claims which are continually repeated until they are assumed by adherents to be a proven fact.. never is this more evident than when the beliefs of a jehovah’s witness are successfully challenged.

the more compelling the evidence against them, the more they resort to repeating their convictions with a sense of insistence, as if they are chanting a mantra.. confirmation bias is prevalent in all religious ideologies, but particularly with jehovah’s witnesses.

LongHairGal

BETH SARIM:

Thanks. I read your bio and am also ‘Out’ of this religious organization because of the 1995 Generation teaching.

It wasn’t even because of job criticism that I left. The 1995 thing is what really did it. The fact that everything is coming ‘home to roost there’ - is why I’m super Glad I’m Out. I realized this years after I left.

As you said, because I followed my gut and held onto that job ‘I wouldn’t be invited anywhere’. That’s exactly what happened and I was on the fringes until I ‘Faded’. I accepted that they didn’t like me. (I worked and had a pre-JW life).

They don’t get to come up to me now and ask for money!.. Sorry, but It doesn’t work that way.. If they were anybody else I would wish them luck.. But they don’t deserve anything.

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Does Jehovah have a visible organization?

by Vanderhoven7 in

why do jehovah’s witnesses say they are god’s organization so matter of factly as though such an audacious claim is an undisputable fact?

here is how one person sees this claim.. "the entire jehovah’s witness religion is founded on unsubstantiated hubristic claims which are continually repeated until they are assumed by adherents to be a proven fact.. never is this more evident than when the beliefs of a jehovah’s witness are successfully challenged.

the more compelling the evidence against them, the more they resort to repeating their convictions with a sense of insistence, as if they are chanting a mantra.. confirmation bias is prevalent in all religious ideologies, but particularly with jehovah’s witnesses.

LongHairGal

BETH SARIM:

Yes it’s true. These people now reaching or already in retirement age (Baby Boomers like myself) were young at a time the economy was booming (the 1970s). Now the economy is garbage.

They could have gotten a decent job without a college degree! (Not so today.). And all they would have had to do was work until retirement age and get SS plus whatever 401K, etc.

But, no. These Witnesses threw it away with both hands. They wouldn’t be caught dead in a full-time job like I had. Instead they preferred to be in the ministry and got invited everywhere and were told how ‘blessed’ they were - and I was told I wasn’t ‘spiritual’. Meanwhile the older generation in the hall were all collecting their pensions. How’s that for hypocrisy?

While it may sound callous to say ‘they are reaping what they sow’, I hope nobody expects pity from somebody like me. I would be up the creek without a paddle if I hadn’t trusted my own instincts!

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Does Jehovah have a visible organization?

by Vanderhoven7 in

why do jehovah’s witnesses say they are god’s organization so matter of factly as though such an audacious claim is an undisputable fact?

here is how one person sees this claim.. "the entire jehovah’s witness religion is founded on unsubstantiated hubristic claims which are continually repeated until they are assumed by adherents to be a proven fact.. never is this more evident than when the beliefs of a jehovah’s witness are successfully challenged.

the more compelling the evidence against them, the more they resort to repeating their convictions with a sense of insistence, as if they are chanting a mantra.. confirmation bias is prevalent in all religious ideologies, but particularly with jehovah’s witnesses.

LongHairGal

THOMAS MORE:

Yes, the disproportionate amount of ‘needy’ people in the Witness religion is directly attributable to the knocking of education/ careers and if you analyze it - any gainful employment - and pushing full-time ministry.

The disciples were unlettered and ordinary but they had their trades they worked at. Even though we cannot compare the modern world to Jesus’s time, he had a trade as a carpenter and must’ve done jobs here and there.. The point is: the needy situation in the JW congregations is a perfect storm caused by policies against careers with members coming into retirement age with no preparation - plus an awful economy.

Responsible people there will be cornered to give money - time and again. And this isn’t like the old days where you were buying an unemployed person a bag of groceries until they ‘got on their feet’! Nope!

Glad I’m long out of it. This would be yet another way the religion will lose maybe more people because they won’t stand being preyed upon by panhandlers.

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Does Jehovah have a visible organization?

by Vanderhoven7 in

why do jehovah’s witnesses say they are god’s organization so matter of factly as though such an audacious claim is an undisputable fact?

here is how one person sees this claim.. "the entire jehovah’s witness religion is founded on unsubstantiated hubristic claims which are continually repeated until they are assumed by adherents to be a proven fact.. never is this more evident than when the beliefs of a jehovah’s witness are successfully challenged.

the more compelling the evidence against them, the more they resort to repeating their convictions with a sense of insistence, as if they are chanting a mantra.. confirmation bias is prevalent in all religious ideologies, but particularly with jehovah’s witnesses.

LongHairGal

VANDERHOVEN7:

I read that thing on Reddit about the ‘Resources for Distressed Households’.

What I take from this (besides the utter hypocrisy of telling Witnesses to go to other sources for help - namely ‘wicked worldly organizations’) - is that there are far too many needy people in the JW religion!

There are more needy people than there should be. Peer pressure was put on them not to get careers but to work at part-time crappy jobs while they were ‘pioneers’ in the ministry.. I was directly targeted to do this years ago!!! Thankfully, I refused! My contemporaries (who knocked me) chose to be in the full-time ministry and wouldn’t be caught dead in a full time job!! .. They all now would be well into retirement age - one they didn’t prepare for.

Knowing what I know, I would never want to be in any congregation now. It sounds like a disaster.. It’s not just because I no longer believe in the Witness religion - but I’m not tolerating anybody who chose not to get a career or decent job coming up to me asking for money!