an announcement to all congregations those with legal experience please come and work for free to cover up child abusers.. i mean what else would it be for?.
the cheek of it.. so the direction was always don’t go for advanced education and careers but now they are looking for such ones to give if their time and education for free?.
TONUS OH:
I understand your sarcasm!
I feel this is also akin to JWs criticizing a person with a job/career but yet imagining that same person should give a$$istance to people in the religion who never worked!!
This is what I encountered. When I attempted to explain it to a JW I was friendly with in the early years - she responded with anger!.. I just cannot get over the wrong attitude of entitlement coupled with selective memory loss that too many Witnesses have.
no more watchtower and awake mags every 2 weeks to place.
no private home book studies.
no more "essential" spiritual food meals 5x a week.
LV101:
Yes, I’m sure the ‘sheeple’ ‘still kickin’ with retirement plans are looking very good in the ‘club’ now! The problem is:.. who wants to be a sitting duck targeted to give money to people there who never worked??
I know I wouldn’t be. This is partly why I wouldn’t set foot in a congregation now… It’s not just that JWs didn’t want to work (many people don’t want to work).. The SIN was engendering hateful attitudes and class distinctions in the congregations.
I don’t know who started this, but this is what the religion ended up being and this was a total turn-off to me. This was in addition to them trying to use tactics to get me to quit my full-time job to do housecleaning/full-time ministry. I wouldn’t have retired if I listened to them!
no more watchtower and awake mags every 2 weeks to place.
no private home book studies.
no more "essential" spiritual food meals 5x a week.
BALAAMSASS2:
I wonder if no longer needing to turn in a FS report will have a negative effect overall?
I think this change might have disappointed many Witnesses who might not readily admit it.. I mean this is how they defined themselves. They pioneered. I worked.. If I were them I’d be more than annoyed if I spent many years getting all those hours of FS in.. Now, the sheeples there are told they don’t need to.
The change has to sink in mentally at first. After that, JWs have to adapt their behavior and habits, etc. I think it’s too early to know for certain what the end result of this will be, but it will be interesting.
our son joined the wts 20 years ago.
we, his parents and siblings are not jws.
he is now 41. he knew we were "opposers" from the beginning, and so we were pretty much shunned by him.
NANTIQUES:
Congratulations on getting your family member back.
If it were me, I would have a big Holiday party and invite a lot of people (neighbors and relatives) so he would not be the focus of anybody’s attention - like say at a dinner. He would just be a ‘guest’. (Of course, I would give certain people a heads-up who knew about him not to mention any religion and to act normally.) I would think somebody exiting a stifling religion that tried to limit his association would be starved to be around people who are not judging him and just observe how normal people act.. Let him mix and mingle and get a little holiday spirit. That’s how I would do it. Just an idea.
the watchtower—study edition | december 2023. study article 52. young sisters—become mature christian women.
18 you may choose to get married.
the qualities and skills that we have discussed will help you to become a capable wife.
JOURNEYMAN:
This is what happens when men who live in a secluded/cloistered environment and don’t know anything - try to give advice to people who have to function in the real world.
I never paid any mind to anything they said and let it go in one ear and out the other!
the watchtower—study edition | december 2023. study article 52. young sisters—become mature christian women.
18 you may choose to get married.
the qualities and skills that we have discussed will help you to become a capable wife.
RULES & REGULATIONS:
I didn’t read the actual article, only what you posted.
I hope the ‘skills’ needed to support a wife include a trade and/or well-paying job! He has to be serious about this. They mention ‘employment’ so maybe they are inching closer to reality about this.
Without this, a guy can’t even hope to support himself - much less a wife and any children that may follow.
what's the current jw stance on retirement savings?
i know it changed.
pre1975 it was an attitude of "don't worry about retirement, this system is ending soon".
TEDDNZO:
Yes, I totally agree with you and I never listened to a word the religion said - especially seeing all those older JWs collecting their pensions..The poverty being pushed wasn’t for them!
I followed my gut and did what was best for me and held onto that job they all hated me for!
By the way, there is no more any such thing as ‘cheap rental accommodations’. Rents are high. Some people were lucky and hit it right and were able to buy. But, the fact is: anybody who didn’t get a decent job is unable to do either.
It is near impossible to live in the world if somebody was in full-time ministry for forty years, maybe working part-time and living in a fantasy inside their head.. The idea being Armageddon would surely come and save them from not preparing for their old age - that they were told they’d never see!
as you know (and are probably tired of hearing me repeat), i’m jewish.
yes, i was a jehovah’s witness when i was a teenager and into my 20s, but returned to my roots and now celebrate chanukah when the holiday season comes around each year.. so why am i writing about christmas?
well, that’s because i thought i would share something about how jehovah’s witnesses teach against christmas.
I am in agreement with LOU BOU TO even though this person is probably not on the forum anymore.
Yes, I believe the religion hates Christmas and other holidays because it seeks to separate and isolate JWs from the rest of the world - and especially their non-JW relatives. The pagan excuse is just that: an excuse. Everything is pagan: the months, the days of the week, wedding rings, etc.
I was not raised a JW and when I started my ‘Fade’ the first thing I did was to re-establish contact with estranged relatives. I sent out Holiday cards and it felt so good to reconnect with these people before it was too late. From then on I made sure I celebrated Christmas because I had such happy memories from childhood.
this is a little out of date.
i found it earlier deleting some emails from a good few years ago:.
feel free to add new lines to this old list!.
Wow, these are all so true. Some are funny but others are just plain sad. Like the last example Jo-fi_wofo posted above about the 75 year old still shunned!
I thought of a few:
If you think that your non-Witness relatives or anybody who leaves the religion must be in a miserable/sinful state (meanwhile they are happy and successful) - you might just be a JW.
If you pioneer for decades and look down on/avoid people in the hall with careers as ‘unspiritual’ and still imagine these people should owe you $omething - you might just be a very deluded JW.
i was born in 1977 & came in as a convert in 2003 --- so i have no idea what went on before my time.. however i have been familiar with the scriptures of "nobody knows the day or hour" & " it will come as a theif in the night" meaning that it was sure but unpredictable time.
how could anyone belive that anyone else ( organization or not) put a date on it?.
also what was the significance of 1975 anyway?
ROAD TO NOWHERE:
Too bad I wasn’t told about the 1975 failure when I was ‘studying’ with the Witnesses.
They made sure this information was kept hidden from potential converts. There was no internet in the late ‘70s and I didn’t know the history of the JW religion. If I did, I might have had second thoughts about getting involved with them. We can never really know how our life would have turned out if we took a different path.. But, I’m just grateful now I resisted these busybodies from interfering with my life/job years ago.
