a home remodeling job in england that went wildly wrong:.
a builder who bludgeoned his client to death with a hammer in a row over her new extension has been jailed for at least 15 years for murder.. peter norgrove killed sharon gordon at her home on 20 july last year.. her daughter rhian brown said norgrove acted like a "wolf in sheep's clothing" after earning her trust at the church they attended in dudley.. wolverhampton crown court heard he led the jehovah's witness service the same night he killed mrs gordon.. he repeatedly lied to her about the work he was doing, which took 15 months instead of six weeks.. .
"he didn't have the experience to be doing the work he was doing," miss brown said.. "he took full payment for the extension in advance, which we believe to be more than £30,000.".
TAHOE:
Very sad. I am so Glad I never had business dealings with JWs. I heard a few horror stories.
When I say business dealings I’m not just referring to home improvements - but offers to get you to ‘invest’ as well. So glad I never got involved. The quoted “Wolf in sheep’s clothing” is a very apt description of some types preying upon gullible people there who, sadly, buy into what I feel is a phony ‘brotherhood’.
'jehovah's witnesses are heavily vaccinated due to guidance given from july to december 20211 by the governing body.many witnesses have had serious adverse effects following vaccination campaigns and, for the most part, have had great difficulty in expressing them and having them recognized.this website was made to allow each witness touched by these vaccination campaigns to express it so that the community takes it into account.'.
https://adverse-events-jw.org.
I know of a JW who feels they have been harmed by the vaccine and is sorry they got it because of strange ill effects. They wonder if there was some sort of detox to rid their body of it?
I remember in the beginning when there was talk of this vaccine and this person said she didn’t want it. Apparently, they were talked into it and now there is regret.
i recently had a conversation with an old acquaintance from the congregation i used to attend.
we talked about the recent changes in the 2023 annual meeting.
i especially pointed out the one about getting rid of hourly reporting on monthly time slips.
THOMAS MORE:
Thanks, but I didn’t do anything so spectacular. I was just doing what was expected of the average young person raised in a non-JW household.. I came INTO the JWs already with the job.
In my home and in society in general it was expected that girls as well as boys would get college/careers.. When I entered the backwards world of Jehovah’s Witnesses I felt I was in a 1950s time-warp with Stepford-type women.. But, I did not let their attitudes stop me from doing what I had to do - which was work.. I did the best I could in the religion for somebody who worked full time.
But, these JWs wanted total ‘surrender’ - which I would not give them. I could not help but notice all the older people were collecting their pensions. But, yet they were pushing poverty on me(?) ..I might have been young but I wasn’t stupid. I just disregarded their unwanted advice and minded my own business. It would seem I was the only one minding my own business since all these people were in everybody else’s business!
eric wilson's video is worth a view.. https://youtu.be/iil4fryuczk?si=f566n0tdqgpqc2ok.
Yes, I watched it and he is right on the mark.
Eric Wilson of Beroean Pickets totally exposes the JW religion and the reason for their recent changes. I’m sure they must hate him. Everything they did was in response to outside threats to their ‘wealth’.
Anybody who insists on believing the JW religion’s doctrines are bible based is only fooling themselves.. I’m Glad I left years ago!
i recently had a conversation with an old acquaintance from the congregation i used to attend.
we talked about the recent changes in the 2023 annual meeting.
i especially pointed out the one about getting rid of hourly reporting on monthly time slips.
IQUIT:
Very wise of you to have prepared for retirement whether this was because you were ‘having doubts’ about the religion’s teachings or because it’s just plain common sense!
As for those JWs that you mentioned who sold homes, etc. to go ‘where the need was great’ (a repeat of the ‘75 mistake)…and ‘never recovered from that blunder’ - they are among the ‘needy’ there looking for handouts. This is in addition to those who hardly worked and were in the ministry for decades.
I made it clear to my friend mentioned in my OP that I’m glad I’m not there and would not tolerate being in an environment where I would be targeted to give money. What others tolerate is their business.
i recently had a conversation with an old acquaintance from the congregation i used to attend.
we talked about the recent changes in the 2023 annual meeting.
i especially pointed out the one about getting rid of hourly reporting on monthly time slips.
LV101:
My God, how could your friend go back there! Whether it’s loneliness or whatever - I’m sorry to hear it.
And, it doesn’t surprise me that they are asking her personal and financial information. I have no use for them. This says it all.. What more does anybody need to hear? I couldn’t even tolerate being in the same room with them now. I hope your friend doesn’t check her brains at the door! ..She’s a perfect target. 👎
i recently had a conversation with an old acquaintance from the congregation i used to attend.
we talked about the recent changes in the 2023 annual meeting.
i especially pointed out the one about getting rid of hourly reporting on monthly time slips.
ATLANTIS:
Thank you for your kind words.
Back in the day I certainly was going against the crowd because I worked and did not pioneer! It felt like actual hatred from some Witnesses there.
They were determined to ‘punish’ me by making sure I wasn’t invited anywhere.. Little did they know I had friends on the outside so these wonderful ‘Christians’ in the hall were not missed!.. [Funny experience: years later but before I Retired I’m in a local deli waiting for my order and I see an older lady staring at me. I didn’t know her but smiled anyway because that’s how I am. Later, I realized it was somebody from that judgmental hall.]
i recently had a conversation with an old acquaintance from the congregation i used to attend.
we talked about the recent changes in the 2023 annual meeting.
i especially pointed out the one about getting rid of hourly reporting on monthly time slips.
All very good comments!
PHIZZY:
I also had somebody say something along the lines of “you’ll never see that money”. Well, they proved to be very wrong.
People like us in the JWs who disregarded the utter nonsense were probably few and far between. Meanwhile, everybody else there was falling for the fantasy.. What I cannot forgive in my case was that ALL the older people there were collecting their pensions. THEY were obviously in the workforce. But, yet, poverty was pushed on all the young people like myself that were there! Thankfully, I paid no heed. Maybe my non-JW upbringing saved me?.. And, so what if the Witnesses hated me and thought I was ‘unspiritual’?? They aren’t paying MY bills!
There are several Witnesses I would have loved to tell off.. Sorry I never got the chance.
Fast forward to now in 2024: all the young people got OLD. The older hypocrites back then with cushy lives pushing poverty are all gone by now.. They aren’t even around to help anybody they helped to mislead!!!
The unaccountable religion goes on reinventing itself and trashing 100 year old teachings that countless people were harmed by.. These JWs are in the ‘dire straits’ you mention.. We can be grateful we are all out of the religion! ..Meanwhile, those stuck in are gaslighted and preyed upon by legions of needy and/or crazy JWs!
i recently had a conversation with an old acquaintance from the congregation i used to attend.
we talked about the recent changes in the 2023 annual meeting.
i especially pointed out the one about getting rid of hourly reporting on monthly time slips.
I recently had a conversation with an old acquaintance from the congregation I used to attend.
We talked about the recent changes in the 2023 annual meeting. I especially pointed out the one about getting rid of hourly reporting on monthly time slips. I mentioned that this was a century old teaching - and that many JWs are poor today because of not getting careers and instead spending years in the ministry.. Of course, I did not follow the crowd and had a full-time job.
My friend tried to make it sound like the religion is now a great place to be and ‘everybody helps each other’ and ‘brings food and assists others…’. I said it sounds like you are expected to give money and things to people, etc. They pretty much agreed.
I said what she does is her business. I explained that I got criticized for working and would be starving if I listened to them. I would not tolerate anybody coming up to me asking for money/aid for people who did not work. What nerve!
So, as I predicted long ago, this is what it has finally come to in the JW religion. This is the outcome after a major foolish policy.. I Hate being right all the time and knew it was absurd that people didn’t work or plan for their future. But, I am super Glad I am not around any of the chaos in that place!
i got the internet in my house and realised it's all lies....but as a pioneer/ministerial servant i chose to fade.
see i had family and friends who were fully strict witnesses.
so i played the poor lost soul brother who is not sure what's happening.
ELDERBERRY:
In 1995 they changed the Generation teaching. This was a major teaching. They previously believed that people living in 1914 would see the ‘End’ of the World or ‘this system of things’ as they put it.. Well, they changed their minds. They very nicely slipped their ‘new understanding’ into their magazine article very nonchalantly.
It was at a Sunday meeting that I did not prepare for and I just learned about it as it was read.. It hit me like a bolt of lightning that they were just stringing everybody along.. I knew right then that my time in the Witness religion was over and I planned my ‘Fade’. There wasn’t much fallout from other people initially and I kept my feelings to myself. There must have been a delayed reaction though because many people left the religion over the next several years.
Hopefully, this was a wake up call to some Witnesses that they had BETTER get themselves a decent job to prepare for their retirement. (There was a poster on the forum who was in this category. He got a good job before it was too late.) That was almost 30 years ago and would be enough time for somebody to have done something. Those JWs who paid no attention and did nothing? Oh well…
