i knew a lady who was disfellowshipped for 20 years for smoking.
she finally went back to the kh and since they couldn't find her paperwork, (all the former elders were dead) she was allowed back in without reinstatement.
no one even remembered her.
DAGNEY:
What that smug elder told you is unfortunately true.. I came to see that people with a brain or a sense of justice could not stay in the toxic Witness religion.
Even though the 1995 Generation teaching is what made me finally get out of there, I had a list of grievances. This issue of corrupt, stupid or egotistical elders was right at the top and the criticism of responsible working people next on my list!
i knew a lady who was disfellowshipped for 20 years for smoking.
she finally went back to the kh and since they couldn't find her paperwork, (all the former elders were dead) she was allowed back in without reinstatement.
no one even remembered her.
SEA BREEZE:
I can see that happening. Now they are so desperate for people they would probably embrace her!
Back years ago when I was in the Witnesses and there was a considerable population, it seems the elders were arrogant and would ‘push’ certain people out. People could be disfellowshipped because of elder’s egos over some issue. I perceived the elders were bullies.
Because I knew people in the religion (rank & file) were unreliable with the culture of unaccountability that exists in the JWs, I never had any important dealings with anybody.. If there was a dispute some bullying elder would have said ‘you should let it go’. I wouldn’t have any of this.
I had no intention of being victimized by some idiot there - which is what the religion expects. They want little victims there who tolerate anything and won’t speak up… I would have taken somebody to court. That would not have gone over well.
on a trip to rome a few years ago i asked my friend (who is roman and jw) what the catholic faith thinks of jw.
he simply stated that jw is tolerated by the church but that really not much thought is given to them.
is there an official stance on jw by the catholics?
GL TIREBITER:
That is interesting about the Catholics not recognizing Witness baptisms as valid because they don’t baptize in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
I never thought about this. How funny that now that I am long Out of the Witnesses, I only recognize the Roman Catholic baptism I received in infancy as valid..(To be honest I never stopped viewing it as valid..I wondered to myself why it was necessary to be baptized again by the JWs if somebody was already baptized a Christian elsewhere).
My Catholic baptism was more official and at least provided me with a document that can be used for an ID if needed.
i am watching the celebrations of the 80th anniversary of ve day.
80 years since the defeat of nazi germany in 1945. i find the interviews of the stalwart men and women who played their part very moving.
these veterans speak with pride and sadness about their experiences, those they lost, those they fought alongside.
JOEY JO JO:
I seem to remember the song “Waltzing Mathilda” from when I was a child - and that was way before 1980. Just sayin’.
If somebody did a redo at a later date, I am unaware of it.
Also, it’s true that the memories of the older generations are inconvenient for the Jehovah’s Witness religion.. They are embarrassed about anybody who lived through a time of one of their failed prophecies!
when i was growing up i remember many young people interviewed on the platform at assemblies.
the ones who really stood out are the talented ones who gave up amazing lives to pioneer.. i remember specifically when i was a boy in the 70s and 80s some who were very good at sport or something.
their teachers begged them to get professional training use their talents to the full.
UGOT2BEKIDDINGME1:
Yeah, they are desperate to get people back, especially brothers.
Because there are so many women in the JW religion, they never missed me which suited me just fine.. Only women who provided a material benefit would be missed or pursued. Maybe these women opened up their home and fed the freeloaders OR provided some free service. (I got criticized for working so they got zero from me.)
If you went back you would be hit up for money to give to people who hardly worked. That’s the sad handwriting on the wall in the religion!
as recently as 2025, the wts has compared the "inner rooms" to the congregation as a place of safety.
do you remember this?
notice the "weasel words" the wts uses to lay the foundation for "adjustment" or "clarification" of their statements.
TRUTHLOVER123:
Not only that, if what some people see on the horizon with the JW religion comes about, there might not be any literal Kingdom Halls to run to.
There are those who feel the religion is eventually selling off the halls.. Maybe what will be left are a few assembly halls here and there that the faithful rank & file Witnesses can travel to a few times a year.. So, anybody who thinks their local hall is their ‘Rock of Gibraltar’ that they can count on - may be in for a rude awakening.
The religion will have gone online for the most part.
when i was growing up i remember many young people interviewed on the platform at assemblies.
the ones who really stood out are the talented ones who gave up amazing lives to pioneer.. i remember specifically when i was a boy in the 70s and 80s some who were very good at sport or something.
their teachers begged them to get professional training use their talents to the full.
BALAAMSASS2:
Yes, as the research and the chart shows, Jehovah’s Witnesses are at the bottom of the barrel with regard to income (as well as education).
Being ‘out’ for many years and knowing ALL that I know now about the JWs (experience as well as info learned over the years), I would have to be crazy to even want to be around them.. And I am not rich or a ‘snob’. (Unless not wanting to be hassled makes somebody a snob.).. Don’t know about you but I generally avoid situations and places where I would be around panhandlers. Maybe a man might be less bothered(?)
So, the level of frustration that must be in many congregations could be palpable. A visitor would be ‘sized up’. This would give me the creeps.. At least when I left (2001) I was surrounded by decent middle-class people. No desperation yet. Now?? What a mess and I’m glad I left years ago.
when i was growing up i remember many young people interviewed on the platform at assemblies.
the ones who really stood out are the talented ones who gave up amazing lives to pioneer.. i remember specifically when i was a boy in the 70s and 80s some who were very good at sport or something.
their teachers begged them to get professional training use their talents to the full.
UGOT2BEKIDDINGME1:
Your wise grandfather who was NOT a Witness was entirely correct in his view. Nobody should be expecting anybody in the Witness religion to give them anything. I hope nobody is holding their breath waiting!
Thank God I knew this. I am not gloating over it but am horrified at what could have happened if I caved in to all the hype! Would anybody be supporting me?? 🤣 I am grateful I worked.
Those Witnesses who did not work at a decent job and fell for the B.S. and pioneered for decades - are in a bad predicament today.. All those older hypocrite Witnesses who pushed poverty/pioneering for young JWs went to their graves after living cushy lives.. They are not even around today in 2025 to help anybody they misled years ago and this is the tragedy of it all.
it’s now official - the governing body members are called for legal deposition in a major court case against jehovah’s witnesses!
https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1ke6cgh/its_now_official_the_governing_body_members_are/.
recent court documents show that members of the jehovah’s witnesses governing body — including former member tony morris — have been officially subpoenaed to give sworn testimony regarding cases of sexual abuse in new york and how the organization dealt with (or essentially hid) them.
LIAM:
While this sounds hopeful to all of us….will the GB actually agree to show up? OR will they go into hiding???
I wonder…
i finally got my own copy of the new song book in english.
i notice that the lyrics in one of the songs have been changed from:.
fear not those who kill the body, but cannot destroy the soul.
GORB:
I remember this awful song as well.🤮
