I studied economics, skyman and I think you are basically right in that statement but in practice recycling does make economic sense, they are just another source of raw materials. However, if people didn't volunteer to sort out their garbage themselves it wouldn't make economic sense to recycle, if that were the case our natural resources would run out a little faster until we reach the point (which we will reach anyway)that the remaining resources would be so expensive that companies/states would put in place sophisticated recycling systems that would recycle much more efficiently than we do now (advantages of scale)...you could argue states should already make recycling mandatory but probably only the market will be able to force us to do it and do it right and effieciently...(and I do vote green/socialist/liberal)
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42Recycling: Not for True Christains
by jeanniebeanz inso, i'm sitting here sorting out my recycling since tomorrow is trash day, and i remembered something that happened years ago that gave me a chuckle.. it was a sunday botchtower study and the topic was things that we should be doing to prepare for life in the new system.
even as a child, i didn't answer from the magazine and they never knew just what i was going to say; they would usually not let me hold the mic myself just for that reason... .
i had been learning about recycling to preserve our natural resources in school (6th grade, i was 10) and had my comment ready to go:.
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What's wrong with my eyes?
by upside/down in.
http://www.michaelbach.de/ot/ .
don't blame me if you click on this site and waste what might have been an otherwise productive day!
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this one is pretty kewl when you let it spin ever faster....
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Being a post atheist
by Bas insmall summary of my spiritual state/development:.
post atheist to me means i don't even find the question if there is a god important enough to lable myself as someone who doesn't believe in it, it means i actually find the whole question irrelevant, discussing it is irrelevant (trying to prove god doesn't exist is just futile), i just don't believe it, and leaving it behind me.... as for how the world works, i'm a determinist and i like to lable myself that though i don't really believe in lableing either.
determinism is great for understanding things/world/nature/people but a pain as a practicle filosophy to make decisions by, kind of paralysing... in daily life i believe in balance in all things, giving and receiving, working and resting, socialising and taking time for myself, and other things besides that.
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Welcome Kid-A, I like the concept of Pre-deism like you describe it, made me think. I thought pre-deists would actually have been alot like agnostics (though not aware of it) and when i thought they would first encounter someone who was preaching the existence of God I had this funny mental image of some of those people turning into atheists, saying like; "you're lying!!! you're trying to make me crazy!!, YOU are crazy!!!" and stuff. But then again, peoples and lands had polytheism long before the bible was born, to explain among other things natural phenomena; these people were already used to the idea of god.
Anyway, I would describe some of the laid back traits of agnosticism to post-determinism too, like you're not trying to convince anybody of anything. I used to go back and forth between atheism and agnosticism all the time but I'm finally past that, thank Gawd . If agnosticism leads to apathy, I would have to disagree with that to a good degree. I don't think agnostic minded people cling onto religious delusions that much as maybe the biggest group agnostics are people that never belonged to a church and never have given the whole thing much thought (they'd almost be a bit pre-deist like in that way) However, the group that does belong to a church might have problems with losing their religion, a (big) part of their identity, which might indeed lead to (temporary) apathy in some cases, with worse effects for the members of the more "fundamentalist" brands of religion like the WTBTS.
hey tetrapod, I also think discussing theism is very important, but I don't think the yes-no debate is very fruitful, avoided that for long time already, rather discuss closely related issues like the bible being a product of man, or making thought provoking remarks like: "the devil and god are really one and the same deity", "God is very very tired and needs rest, yall keeping him awake with your constant whining", "stop looking up and help your fellow human being", or anything that I think of that makes me wonder how a "believer" would respond to it.
But I would never say belief in God bad or that organised religion is all bad...
Bas (of the post-atheist class)
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Being a post atheist
by Bas insmall summary of my spiritual state/development:.
post atheist to me means i don't even find the question if there is a god important enough to lable myself as someone who doesn't believe in it, it means i actually find the whole question irrelevant, discussing it is irrelevant (trying to prove god doesn't exist is just futile), i just don't believe it, and leaving it behind me.... as for how the world works, i'm a determinist and i like to lable myself that though i don't really believe in lableing either.
determinism is great for understanding things/world/nature/people but a pain as a practicle filosophy to make decisions by, kind of paralysing... in daily life i believe in balance in all things, giving and receiving, working and resting, socialising and taking time for myself, and other things besides that.
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determinism says that everything happens through the cause and effect principle, seems reasonable eh? Anyway, I've called myself a determinist for years now and discussed it alot, it's a fact to me now (it's not on my mind so much anymore). To fully realize and accept this filosophy takes alot of time and thinking though, check out this page: http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/determinism-causal/
Determinism: The world is governed by (or is under the sway of) determinism if and only if, given a specified way things are at a time t, the way things go thereafter is fixed as a matter of natural law.
Bas
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Being a post atheist
by Bas insmall summary of my spiritual state/development:.
post atheist to me means i don't even find the question if there is a god important enough to lable myself as someone who doesn't believe in it, it means i actually find the whole question irrelevant, discussing it is irrelevant (trying to prove god doesn't exist is just futile), i just don't believe it, and leaving it behind me.... as for how the world works, i'm a determinist and i like to lable myself that though i don't really believe in lableing either.
determinism is great for understanding things/world/nature/people but a pain as a practicle filosophy to make decisions by, kind of paralysing... in daily life i believe in balance in all things, giving and receiving, working and resting, socialising and taking time for myself, and other things besides that.
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small summary of my spiritual state/development:
Post Atheist to me means I don't even find the question if there is a God important enough to lable myself as someone who doesn't believe in it, it means I actually find the whole question irrelevant, discussing it is irrelevant (trying to prove God doesn't exist is just futile), I just don't believe it, and leaving it behind me...
As for how the world works, I'm a determinist and I like to lable myself that though I don't really believe in lableing either. Determinism is great for understanding things/world/nature/people but a pain as a practicle filosophy to make decisions by, kind of paralysing... In daily life I believe in balance in all things, giving and receiving, working and resting, socialising and taking time for myself, and other things besides that. Besides that there are countless wisdoms and philosophies that help you live your life, far too many to list here. Some are very old, cliches, some are from the bible (or the writers of the bible were aware of them), but most I believe you learn through living....
so take it easy and live your life, peace
Bas
PS, i came up with the term and definition of post-atheist myself, not sure if there's another definition of it....
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LIVE 8
by tijkmo inwhat are the chances of getting a ticket.
last updated: tuesday, 31 may, 2005, 15:54 gmt 16:54 uk e-mail this to a friend printable version geldof unveils live 8 show plans .
watch the launchbob geldof has unveiled plans for a repeat of 1985's live aid concert, called live 8, to highlight the ongoing problem of global poverty and debt.. the free event will be held in london's hyde park on 2 july with concerts in philadelphia, paris, rome and berlin.
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Go here to sign the Live8 list: http://www.live8live.com/list/ ....I also uploaded my picture for the G8 march, felt damn powerful....
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LIVE 8
by tijkmo inwhat are the chances of getting a ticket.
last updated: tuesday, 31 may, 2005, 15:54 gmt 16:54 uk e-mail this to a friend printable version geldof unveils live 8 show plans .
watch the launchbob geldof has unveiled plans for a repeat of 1985's live aid concert, called live 8, to highlight the ongoing problem of global poverty and debt.. the free event will be held in london's hyde park on 2 july with concerts in philadelphia, paris, rome and berlin.
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I live 30 minutes from the Live 8 concert in Philly and stayed as far away from it as I could. ; I didn't even bother to watch it on tv. ; ;Our local news is filled with ;the coverage of it. ;
Shame on you.....
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The Dynamics of online Apostaworld: the History
by Bas ini've been really interested in this myself for a while as the online apostacommunity has grown large over the last couple of years.. as most of you probably realize, the internet has been instrumental for apostates to hook up and make a virtual fist at the watchtower, the turbulent history the online apostacommunity might interest you alot.
it interests me.. as i'm not someone that was here from the beginning, i'd really like to hear the stories of the oldtimers, the first apostates to hook up through the net, the stories from the first boards and sites that were apostate and the evolution of the apostacommunity after that.
i'm asking people that have been involved since at least 2002 or before to share their stories and views and things that stirred their emotions.
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I meant h2o in my last post (doh!), would love to know some of the history of that board.......and I'm beginning to wonder if I'm the right person to lead this investigation, maybe someone that has been around some years longer than me would better in researching this. Though I'm still commited to put alot of time and energy in this, someone with more knowledge about apostaworld than me (my knowledge is very basic) should lead this. But I will continue on my own if I must. Thanks for your replies so far.
Bas