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  Favorite TV show

  by Pwned in

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  seinfeld, simpsons, sopranos and the wire (i cant wait for season 3 on dvd)

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  "The Fugitive" with David Janssen.

  "Adventures in Paradise"
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  The Cult of Four "Just Imperfect" Men

  by Farkel in

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  the cult of four "just imperfect" men.

  (please move on to the next thread, fluffers.

  move on!

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  Farkel,

  Yes, I bought into the cult of personality surrounding the last two men on your list. Most of the stories, urban legends about Knorr portrayed him as a straight-shooting, no-nonsense disciplinarian, a so-called brilliant organizer who could have taken most any company to the top of the Fortune 500. Let me just reference the Richard Burton plane story, the brother caught tape-recording a Bethel teaching session story, the Nebraska meeting of congregation servants story.

  With respect to Fred Franz, I have no doubt that his academic background was overstated. In retrospect it's funny that Rhodes' credentials would mean anything to the higher-education-eschewing JW's, but such was/is our double standard. Franz was no doofus, however. His dissertation on freedom in "Life Everlasting in Freedom of the Sons of God" was carefully reasoned. Franz urban legends always started with a smile, so different he was. He was our Einstein. His heavily accented speech mesmorized us with its rythmic crescendo leading to our thunderous applause.

  Just to illustrate the hero worship, one circuit overseer in the 80's used a tape of Franz a capella singing of a kingdom song as his concluding talk. This was supposed to move the audience to a similar life of self-sacrifice.

  Face it bros & sisters, we worshipped these men just as modern Catholics sigh and clutch their heart as their current feeble pope endeavors to move his lips to form a word.

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  Favorite Movies

  by purplesofa in

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  i am sure there is a thread out there somewhere about everyones fav movie........there are so many good ones.. today for the first time i saw the birds by alfred hitchcock.

  yikes!!!.

  and now the quiet man is on with john wayne.

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  Oooooh-hah!! I will add "Scent of a Woman" to my list.
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  Favorite Movies

  by purplesofa in

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  i am sure there is a thread out there somewhere about everyones fav movie........there are so many good ones.. today for the first time i saw the birds by alfred hitchcock.

  yikes!!!.

  and now the quiet man is on with john wayne.

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  Ordinary People

  Shane

  The Great Santini

  The Shawshank Redemption

  A Slender Thread

  A Patch of Blue
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  In the Book Study tonight

  by blindersoff in

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  27 p. 276 "o how great his goodness is!

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  Yes, pure worship was restored in 1919. Of course, the Bible Students still venerated the cross, celebrated Christmas, used tobacco and probably wouldn't have refused a blood transfusion if it had been offered.

  At least they didn't count their field service time.

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  Update on my disassociation

  by Dustin in

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  i went to the kingdom hall for the very last time.

  i went in the door in my guns n roses t-shirt and ripped up lucky jeans, new earrings and goatee.

  i went up to the po of the congregation and told him i needed to talk to him.

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  Dustin,

  The beauty of your letter is that you focused on the real effect on the person that is or was one of Jehovah's Witnesses. The religion cripples, stifles, stunts any ambition, creativity or academic achievement. Its destruction of the family is legendary.

  Unfortunately, your letter will do nothing for the elders who read or scan it.

  But, by posting it here, it may cause some lurking JW to start thinking seriously about the real effects of their religion.

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  JW Kids Leave the Organization: Facts

  by Maximus in

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  the october 1 watchtower 2001 features articles on training children "properly" and dealing with a "prodigal child.

  the latest inside u.s. figures reveal that 86% of jw children leave the fold, with some 29% who eventually come back for reasons of family ties, most never "reaching out.

  " that means over half leave permanently.

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  It is an almost impossible role to fulfill. I doubt that Jesus Christ himself, let alone any of the twelve could have functioned as a JW kid. The Watchtower religion stifles every ounce of creativity, ambition, scholarship and sociability from their young people, but still expect them to shine as a "lamp to the world" in school.

  There are not enough qualified therapists in the world to help witness kids with the emotional, psychological scars of growing up JW.
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  JW Kids Leave the Organization: Facts

  by Maximus in

  1. jw
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  the october 1 watchtower 2001 features articles on training children "properly" and dealing with a "prodigal child.

  the latest inside u.s. figures reveal that 86% of jw children leave the fold, with some 29% who eventually come back for reasons of family ties, most never "reaching out.

  " that means over half leave permanently.

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  Interesting thread.
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  Servant versus Overseer

  by larc in

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  way back when, they used they used the term of servant.

  in the late 60's or early 70's, they changed it to overseer.

  now let us look at these two words.

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  One term may have a more favorable connotation than the other, but it's basically semantics. Many Congregation Servants were tyrannical despots. Others were shepherdlike. It was a very unhealthy situation, though because one man controlled everything.

  I was both a Congregation Servant and later, an elder for over thirty years. Former Congregation Servants were sometimes viewed as rigid, unchangeable. Not always the case.

  Many young elders became just as despotic as and egomaniac as the old Congregation Servants.

  BTW, the term "overseer" was used interchangeably with congregation servant in the old days. The congregation just had a single overseer, not a body of overseers, elders, presbyters. At the 1971 district conventions, we learned of the changes that were implemented that fall.
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  Noted Jehovah's Witness Dies

  by Kenneson in

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  see "indiana native who became seattle radio, tv figure dies at 82".

  his name is justus "buddy" webber.

  he gave it all up in the 1970s to serve the watchtower society in the canary islands.. http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/230151-3524-127.html

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  I have a few Buddy Webber stories but since I left the Seattle area in the mid-60's I suspect the local JW's/exJW's could do more justice to the man.