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  :Ahem: If you could imbed one scripture or short message into...

  by SixofNine in

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  2. friends

  ....the concrete of a turkish bath to be used by the pope, what scripture or short message would that be.

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  ps... need your responses in the next 6 hours or so ;)

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  tetrapod.sapien

  next time the opportunity comes up, i'm going to grab a finger and write: "So long! And thanks for all the fish!"

  :) tetra
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  How Often Do You Pray?

  by Anitar in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i know this might sound silly, but one of the most annoying things i find about my mom being a jw is how often she prays.

  normally, i would never criticize someone for praying to god, but she prays in such a way that makes me angry for some reason.

  let me explain:.

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  tetrapod.sapien

  hi anitar,

  1) Do you pray? Why or why not?

  yes. some might call it being, others a form of meditation, or others still a psychological methodology for the expansion of my consciousness. this is all fine. but, i'm not sure why or why not. i don't think there is a choice. either you are, or you're not.

  2) If you do, than whom do you pray to? Do you believe there is a right one and a wrong one to pray to?

  i "pray" to mySelf and the intrinsic relation i have to the cosmos, and this planet. right and wrong? i don't beleive in dualities, so i can't really answer the second question. if one has to make a distinction between right and wrong, then they aren't really praying. their just trying, not doing. perhaps they think they are praying in the traditional sense, but it doesn't mean they are praying. i would say that prayer, or stillness, exists outside of dualities, and "trying" to pray, is not praying.

  3) How often do you pray?

  every time i find myself in the stillness, and silence of now, with no words flowing in my mind. in a place of no-mind and no-emotion. prayer does not involve words, for me. it involves being right now. it's not a conscious thought, like, "i'm gonna pray now", because that assumes that you are not already praying through every action and thought right now, and not in the past or future. so whenever i find myself in this state, i am praying. but i never set out to pray, either. it just is a state of mind, i believe. so, hopefully more and more!

  4) What are the general things you pray for? Do you mostly ask for things for yourself or for others?

  nothing. i don't ask for anything, because i don't believe praying is about questions and answers, like some magic 8 ball. this involves acceptance of everything that is, as being part of the entire, perfect universe. and from this acceptance comes prayer. and prayer, for me, is nothing more or less that simply Being.

  if i want or need something for myself, i measure it against whether it is good for others, and if it is, then i go out and consciously get it, or create it. if i want something for someone else, same thing. i go out and i consciously get it, and i give it to them with no strings attached.

  4) If you consider yourself religious, than do the rules of your religion influence how you pray?

  yes, i consider myself religious. i am the God of my own religion. i have no rules, and no followers, and that is the only way. so nothing but the prefectly present moment influences how i pray. the prayer is the moment. and i like the word "moment" better than i like the word "prayer", because of the cultural baggage associated with the word "pray".

  5) If you are atheist or agnostic or have a nature based religion (for example Wicca), do you have your own form of prayer? How do you view those who are religious who pray?

  yes. (i'm an atheist, and by extension a pantheist). i explained the form of it above. i view religiously praying people as people who have not awakened to their own God-nature (and the God-nature of all organisms), and still worship the God-nature of some man or woman who attained their own Self-actualized God-nature at some previous time. people who understood that God and Self are simply the same thing. the sooner that people awaken, or evolve, the sooner there will be no more religions, and countries and wars and self-hate. but if it never happens, then that's cool! it was fun for us humans!

  6) Do you believe everyone has the right to pray? If not, than who doesn't?

  yes, everyone has a right, of course.

  7) Do you believe there should be a certain qualification for prayer, or that certain people should not be allowed to pray? If so, than who determines these qualifications and what would they be?

  no. either you're praying, or you're not. only the individual determines her own spiritual path. this is because she is a god, even if she does not want to see herself as such, yet.

  peace,

  tetra
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  WHAT THE HELL IS THE POINT......???????

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what the hell is the point......?.

  1.undeserved kindness.

  ask yourself why you don't deserve kindness.

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  A lovely example of chasing the white rabbit down the rabbithole if ever I read one!

  if you say so terry!

  You see, it is purposeless to employ words when words do not represent common referents. (Utterly without purpose unless you are a poet surfing sound for sound's sake.)

  It would be like using numbers which don't represent quantity within the context of a standard.

  yes, i remember this argument terry. you use it whenever you think that someone is talking garbage. semantics, semantic, definions and meta definitions. when someone is saying something you do not agree with, you simply call their words purposeless!

  Talking about "knowing" implies there is something to be known.

  yes. bang on.

  You ask a slippery question: "Do you thinking all knowing ends with the mind?" Knowing is what is DONE with the MIND. So, yes! It is the sly toying with __concepts__floating without definition which makes this trick appear to work.

  it's only slippery to you terry. if language and mind is all you ultimately believe in, and that it is impossible to step outside of mind and language, then yes, it's a slippery question. if knowing is only a mind thing to you, then that is all you will know. what can i say? words man!

  How can I slam people who are confused about what their mind does?

  what do you mean, "their mind"? this implies two entities. i thought people were their minds?

  Existence exists. But, only through things as such. Thinking about virtual "things" does not impart actuality.

  um, but this sounds like you are now talking just for the sake of sounds.

  Materialism is not defined by you in your statement. But, it seems to have an odor in your nostrils. One can almost sense a sneer of sorts. But, I might direct your attention to the fact that only the material exists. So, if one is materialistic one is dealing with things as they really are. Are you somehow implying that unreality and non-existence are superior in some way? Then, we should all dwell in our dreamworld.

  hey terry, i'm not sneering at materialism. i'm still a materialist. everything that happens is a natural event. i'm also other things because i can be. without guilt. no more singular doctrine for this cat, including materialism, or objectavism. but being right isn't about being right about one thing and one thing only, as we were forced to believe as witnesses.

  I don't slam people who desire to live in a dreamworld. Dreamworlds are in every way ideal and fit us most excellently. The fact those ideal constituencies don't exist would put a damper on things only if one were lucid enough to know it.

  good, you don't slam them. k. and you know they don't exist because they simply do not exist, hey? haven't measured any? k. lucidity implies sentience. and sentience implies a growing of awareness. i mean man, if you are talking mind stuff, then talk mind stuff, but it's subjective! and should stay that way! if it's subjective for me, then it's subjective for you, regardless of what we believe. if you are talking manifest reality outside of mind, then be aware that your absolute certainty is only a probability based on measuring ability. as external measuring ability changes, so does the probability. too bad we couldn't use the mind and body to measure some things, as tools. but this is randian sacralege! that is subjective, and objective is the cat's meow! yay team!

  Being aware is a reality only when you have your metaphoricals separate from your actuals.

  oh cool, i remember. the great separation. separation is everywhere. all things that make the whole are separate, like the human in relation to the universe, and the mind in relation to the human. except that they still make the whole. the whole of nature, of course. i don't deal in supernature since it's a trick word.

  Goofy mystical sentences which treat subject and verb, noun and direct object whimsically--corrupt communication. It ends rational analysis for a very good reason. There is a disconnect between mind and referent. This is done deliberately to enable the one writing or speaking to jerk the listener or reader loose from his moorings. You are then at their mercy!

  i wouldn't be afraid of the mystics terry. it's not healthy.

  I always say to the mystic, "You deny that material objects are important, but, you always exit the room through the door."

  oh, they are important though terry. they are all we have! material objects like our brains, and rocks.

  so, did you see the mystic leave the room by the door? and this is ultimate for you? then good for you!

  tetra
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  :Ahem: If you could imbed one scripture or short message into...

  by SixofNine in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ....the concrete of a turkish bath to be used by the pope, what scripture or short message would that be.

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  ps... need your responses in the next 6 hours or so ;)

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  tetrapod.sapien

  ha ha ha!! cool man...
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  Why do relationships fail???

  by brokenhearted in

  1. social
  2. relationships

  hi, just want to say to everyone i love this board ive been raised as a witness but im out since i was 18 .

  but today i could really use somebodys advice..

  ive been in several relationships but my last one was truly the love of my life.

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  tetrapod.sapien

  hi. welcome to the board :)

  love doesn't last because the chemical in your brain that your mind and emotions are feeding off of when you are falling in love, dopamine, eventually runs out because the brain cannot produce it over long periods consistently. it is then replaced with oxytocin, a chemical associated with the emotional attachment mothers and children have to each other. a different feeling all together, see? some relationships don't make it to this point. often because someone in the relationship is addicted to dopamine.

  there was a way cool National Geographic article on this about 9 months ago. check it out!

  the thing that i find about emotions like "love", is that they are not really real. if you experience an emotion that has an opposite, like love and hate (or ecstacy and hurt), then it is not a real "thing", it's an emotion, because it can be replaced with it's so-called opposite so easily. it's only real love if it would never turn into anything else, and still grow.

  but love can be found. it has to be inside you, in it's true form already, though, imho. which means you have to already love yourself. the amount of love you can give is only really equal to the amount you have for yourself, imho. and the amount you can accept, is only equal to the amount you have for yourself, as well. so, there's a good place to start!

  take care,

  tetra
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  WHAT THE HELL IS THE POINT......???????

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what the hell is the point......?.

  1.undeserved kindness.

  ask yourself why you don't deserve kindness.

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  tetrapod.sapien

  who utters paradoxical sayings which serve to unhinge the mind from logic.

  ha ha! terry, it's only paradoxical when approached with the mind. paradox is the sum of duality. and duality is a thing of the material mind. do dualities exist outside of our minds? if you SAY so! do you think all knowing ends with the mind? if yes, then, yes, duality would be a finality, and self consciousness would be the pinnacle of our psycho-evolutionary process. except, evolution doesn't end. so don't slam people who attempt other ways of knowing, other than the material. they're just branches on a tree for heavens sake man. if materialism wins, then it will have won at its own game. at which time you can give yourself a big pat on the back, because you'd be the only one around to do so. oh, and yes, of course i'd be happy for you.

  tetra
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  How do you feel about Tatoos?

  by Fisherman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i feel very offended and distrurbed when i see people covered with tatoos.

  some people have tatoos all over their bodies, even on their faces.

  there are also tatoo programs on the tlc channel that children can watch without a forewarning before the show comes on.

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  tetrapod.sapien

  Huh?

  ha ha ha! omg

  k, terry, see you around. peace-out.... praise Jah Rastafari!!

  tetra
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  How do you feel about Tatoos?

  by Fisherman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i feel very offended and distrurbed when i see people covered with tatoos.

  some people have tatoos all over their bodies, even on their faces.

  there are also tatoo programs on the tlc channel that children can watch without a forewarning before the show comes on.

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  tetrapod.sapien

  well, how lovely terry! and long walks on the beach?

  and you know, this caught me as odd too:

  But, I watched truly friendly people and studied how they did what they did.

  you had to practice being friendly? or practice being outgoing? or, outgoing in a friendly way, as opposed to an unfriendly way...

  i like how you make exceptions for discussion boards. well, more i just find it interesting.

  tetra
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  WHAT THE HELL IS THE POINT......???????

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what the hell is the point......?.

  1.undeserved kindness.

  ask yourself why you don't deserve kindness.

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  tetrapod.sapien

  2.It's all inside us and we must release it.

  anyways, this isn't even a mystical point of view really. sounds pretty material to me. i would say that most mystic traditions say that these things, including knowledge, come from without, not within.

  material blessings of objective ever classifying self-reducing wonder! yay team!

  tetra
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  WHAT THE HELL IS THE POINT......???????

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what the hell is the point......?.

  1.undeserved kindness.

  ask yourself why you don't deserve kindness.

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  tetrapod.sapien

  huh?

  ya, you know man. you.

  tetra