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Self Deceit and Faith.

by hillary_step in

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this thread is inspired by a comment made on another thread, but i thought it would make an interesting discussion.. self deceit is described as a "misconception that is favorable to the person who holds it".

my premise is that faith is a form of self-deceit - lying to oneself.. so, i would ask of the "faithful" the following questions and would request that they be read carefully to ensure no that there is no misunderstanding of purpose.. 1) in what way is faith not self-deception?.

2) is a person who has faith in a god that you do not believe in, say for example siva, practicing a form of self-deception?.

tijkmo

You seem to be under the impression that this post was directed at you when in fact it was a reply to BA.

no i did realise it was addressed to ba..i was merely making the point that to disagreee with someone's belief does not of itself make them stupid..

i am not familiar with bas convictions and if you have more information on that then i guess you feel you are in a position to make that call..you did observe that you didn't think that i am stupid and i guess you base this on previous interactions ...but i have to say that there have been occasions in my life when i have been very stupid...very stupid indeed. again it comes down to definition and context.

as far as sparrows are concerned i don't believe that a sparrow can turn into an eagle but as has been observed this is not about evolution..if one professes a belief in god then i would suppose one would base it upon the bible which has an account of the flood in it and therefore from 2 of every kind all species now exist. this means that obviously some where along the line stuff happened.(if that is one's belief)

the evidence for stuff happening is the same for 'evolutionists' and for 'creationists'...and yet they come to different conclusions...both can't be right altho both may be intelligent.

i used to think it was my duty to inform people of their wrong conclusions first as a jw....and then as an exjw.

now i think life is hard enough without undermining whatever it is that gets folk thru the night so to speak - including their 'faith' in whichever unprovable account of the origins of life they believe.

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Our CO says..."women in the workplace...a Satanic plot!"

by sir82 in

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our co came galloping into town this week.

in his tuesday talk, these were his comments (not word for word, but more or less):.

"i imagine one of the biggest problems in your territory is not-at-homes.

tijkmo

"This was a curveball, it threw us for a bit. But now we've been concentrating on alternate forms of witnessing, going to where the people are, business territory, street work, so once again Jehovah thwarted Satan's plans."

and judging by the increase this method is certainly working....not

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Self Deceit and Faith.

by hillary_step in

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this thread is inspired by a comment made on another thread, but i thought it would make an interesting discussion.. self deceit is described as a "misconception that is favorable to the person who holds it".

my premise is that faith is a form of self-deceit - lying to oneself.. so, i would ask of the "faithful" the following questions and would request that they be read carefully to ensure no that there is no misunderstanding of purpose.. 1) in what way is faith not self-deception?.

2) is a person who has faith in a god that you do not believe in, say for example siva, practicing a form of self-deception?.

tijkmo

	Evolution of Antibiotic Resistance:

	Forty or fifty years ago, thanks to antibiotics, scientists thought medicine had all but eradicated infectious agents as a major health threat. Instead, the past two decades have seen an alarming resurgence of infectious diseases and the appearance of new ones. Today, the AIDS virus, tuberculosis, malaria, diarrheal diseases and other infectious agents pose far greater hazards to human existence than any other creatures.

hey - way to generate hope lol

and btw i don't wanna live tomorrow so i certainly don't wanna live forever

tijkmo of the afraid to look class

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The Mighty Led Zeppelin Soars Again !!

by flipper in

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i know brent r. had a thread on this yesterday or day before , but in honor of my personal all-time favorite group, i had to write a few things here !

if some of you have seen the u-tube of them performing songs with john bonham's son jason on drums , it was an incredible performance !

watching their expertise on " stairway to heaven " and " kashmir " was like being back in high school again, like they never went away !

tijkmo

kashmir

when the levee breaks

ten years gone

the battle of evermore

stairway to heaven

girls who cried over bands were silly, but I was moved to tears

crying girls are gay....crying guys are manly

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Self Deceit and Faith.

by hillary_step in

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friends

this thread is inspired by a comment made on another thread, but i thought it would make an interesting discussion.. self deceit is described as a "misconception that is favorable to the person who holds it".

my premise is that faith is a form of self-deceit - lying to oneself.. so, i would ask of the "faithful" the following questions and would request that they be read carefully to ensure no that there is no misunderstanding of purpose.. 1) in what way is faith not self-deception?.

2) is a person who has faith in a god that you do not believe in, say for example siva, practicing a form of self-deception?.

tijkmo

you may just chose to not believe in electricity. it does not give us any hope either.

i suppose that would depend on your definition of hope.

it does give me a lot of enjoyment (well it passes the time)...with it i can watch tv, play music, use a computer, drive a car, cook food, heat my house etc etc etc

i certainly hope i will be able to do that for the rest of the day...and tomorrow...and for as long as i wish to remain alive.

i do know that without it i would not want to live so i guess in that sense it does give me a modicum of hope.

i would be pretty stupid to deny its existence just because it didn't give me 'hope' since i use it continually. (unless there is a defintion of electricity that i am unaware of)

i also hope the sparrows in my attic don't change into eagles cos that's gonna be a problem..oh wait no it won't cos it's not gonna happen. (cos there aren't any)

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Who else is finishing up their semester ??

by Kudra in

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well, i just got done with my final term paper!

(maybe even the last one of my school career!!

aaaaargh my neck hurts from typing.

tijkmo

supposed to be...

but ummmm...not gonna

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Self Deceit and Faith.

by hillary_step in

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friends

this thread is inspired by a comment made on another thread, but i thought it would make an interesting discussion.. self deceit is described as a "misconception that is favorable to the person who holds it".

my premise is that faith is a form of self-deceit - lying to oneself.. so, i would ask of the "faithful" the following questions and would request that they be read carefully to ensure no that there is no misunderstanding of purpose.. 1) in what way is faith not self-deception?.

2) is a person who has faith in a god that you do not believe in, say for example siva, practicing a form of self-deception?.

tijkmo

tijkmo, there are many facts to support evolution. I have compiled a list for you to look through.

but why would you think i would want to waste time wading thru 'evidence' to support evolution..what possible good would it do me? i don't want to believe in it. it gives me no basis for hope whatsoever.

While I am loathe to quote Wikipedia, it does actually give a very good explanation scietific theory and what it means:

it gives a good explanation for those who wish to choose to believe what it says...who was it that came up with that definition that a theory is essentially a fact that can't be proved but must be accepted as a fact simply because it can't be disproved - until such time as it can be.

You were even stupid enough to state recently that you did not believe that a "sparrow could become an eagle".....lol showing a complete ignorance of the subject at hand.

i don't believe a sparrow can become an eagle...so yes that may well make me ignorant of the ' present facts'...but stupid i most certainly am not. unless of course you have a dictionary that defines ignorant as stupid with no other definition in which case i would have to accept that unless of course there is another dictionary that defines it differently in which case - cue head explosion..

and that is the point isn't it - of faith, self deceit, definitions, theoretics etc etc. :- anyone with an agenda can formulate a theory and 2 or more people with different agendas can look at the same 'facts' and come up with different conclusions...an evolutionist can look at bones and fossils and see proof of evolution - someone who believes in a god will look at the same evidence as proof of creation.(they may both be scientists)... 2 different doctors will look at a patient and one will demand a blood transfusion and one will not...2 detectives may come to different conclusions on the guilt of an accused person..2 jurys may do the same..2 judicial commitees likewise.

personally i'm past caring...but i do find it amusing that folk who believe evolution are as annoyed in my lack of desire to accept as gospel (sic) what they believe as those who want me to believe in creation are. this stuff just never gets old. anymore than the annoyance that their belief is based on faith just as much as belief in a god because they won't accept the definition of the word faith due to its biblical/religious connatations.

i was thinking about theoretics recently while watching golf - if you take any given golf course i'm sure that you will find that different people at different times have scored a hole in one at each of the par 3s, an eagle at the par 4s, and an albatross at the par 5s whether this be by flukes or by brilliant golf. On a regular par 72 (4 par 3s, 4 par 5s, 10 par 4s) course then, that theoretically proves that it is possible to play the course in 32 shots. i have faith that this is possible - i have no doubt that it ain't never* gonna happen..not by me nor by tiger

(*ain't never - yes i know - move on)

and now on a lighter note ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOzVkSFnKxI

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Self Deceit and Faith.

by hillary_step in

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friends

this thread is inspired by a comment made on another thread, but i thought it would make an interesting discussion.. self deceit is described as a "misconception that is favorable to the person who holds it".

my premise is that faith is a form of self-deceit - lying to oneself.. so, i would ask of the "faithful" the following questions and would request that they be read carefully to ensure no that there is no misunderstanding of purpose.. 1) in what way is faith not self-deception?.

2) is a person who has faith in a god that you do not believe in, say for example siva, practicing a form of self-deception?.

tijkmo

Gravity is a fact. The theory explains how gravity works, and this can change when new data is available.

bit like the wt then....'these are the unquestionable facts until we tell you different'

i did find it interesting that the definition of theory being equal to facts is put forward by those who don't have facts to support their theories.

tijkmo ..of the going to bed but feel free to keep convincing yourself that your beliefs don't require faith class

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Self Deceit and Faith.

by hillary_step in

jw
friends

this thread is inspired by a comment made on another thread, but i thought it would make an interesting discussion.. self deceit is described as a "misconception that is favorable to the person who holds it".

my premise is that faith is a form of self-deceit - lying to oneself.. so, i would ask of the "faithful" the following questions and would request that they be read carefully to ensure no that there is no misunderstanding of purpose.. 1) in what way is faith not self-deception?.

2) is a person who has faith in a god that you do not believe in, say for example siva, practicing a form of self-deception?.

tijkmo

btw: gravitation is a theory...

really...is it the same as the law of gravity?

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Anyone else feel like an emotional mutant at this time of year?

by tall penguin in

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i've been attempting to infiltrate my friend's christmas traditions in an attempt to understand and appreciate the holiday.

i only had christmas until i was 5 when my mom converted to jw.

before that, christmas was really big in our house.

tijkmo

yeah i'm feelin ya