Posts by cheeseman

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ZIDANE EXPLAINS HEADBUTT

by tijkmo in

zidane explains world cup head-butt

zinedine zidane has claimed repeated insults about his mother and sister spurred him to head-butt an italian in sunday's world cup final.

the french captain declared "i'm a man first" to explain his reaction but refused to repeat the "personal" remarks.

I don't condone headbutting an opponent. But I also don't condone insulting one. To say it's 'part of the game' is rather weak in my view. It's like saying racism is part of the game so we should do NOTHING about it.

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When trying to talk to a JW what is the best method?

by omerp in

jw
friends

if there is someone whom is a long time jw, how do you bring him back into reality or is that possible?

how do you make them reflect that it is possible that they are wrong about the bible track society?

anything you say they alway twist it around anyways with their prepared answers.

cheeseman

I needed my own doubts to set in before I sought an exit from the org. The more rational people's arguments were against the WTS, the more it annoyed me and the cognitive dissonance kicked in. It was only after examining how unhappy I was in the "truth" that I became honest with myself and I began the questioning from within.

Once I found the Internet there was no stopping me

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I've just crawled out from under the rock

by cheeseman in

sorry if this is old hat, but can someone tell me what happened here?

i'm especially intrigued by the arsenic aspect of it all.

what this means, what happened in this case?

cheeseman

Sorry if this is old hat, but can someone tell me what happened here? I'm especially intrigued by the arsenic aspect of it all. What this means, what happened in this case? Could someone please fill me in?

http://www.rickross.com/reference/jw/jw119.html

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Elder sighting at work

by Scully in

for background info: two elders came to visit this afternoon.

so i'm at work tonight and just before the coffee shop closes, i run downstairs to get something to drink to tide me over the next several hours.

as i approach the kiosque, i see a familiar face approaching from the opposite direction.

cheeseman

Wow, I'm surprised at how extraordinarily human the elder sounded, well apart from forgetting your kids names! At least he remembered who you are :)

In my town the dubs pretend they don't see me or know me. They cross the street, their eyes are blank, unthinking automatons who roam the houses like the living dead. It's like their memories have been wiped clean. Even when dubs I know come to my door they pretend they don't know me, like they are meeting me for the first time.

Well done for dealing with it so well. They are so flummoxed when Satan's spawn are actually nice people.

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Jw's at my door

by cheeseman in

it's been a while now since the dubs made their last visit.

i was living in another town at the time.

on that occasion i destroyed them on the basis of archaeology, paleontology and other sciences.

cheeseman

It's been a while now since the dubs made their last visit. I was living in another town at the time. On that occasion I destroyed them on the basis of archaeology, paleontology and other sciences. They came back with the dub they thought was most scientifically clued up but all he could say was "Do you know who Michael Behe is?" Please! I chased them off my property and even gave them some of Satan's material to read.

This time was different. The first thing the older lady said was "Do you ever wonder about the state of the world today?"

OMG, talk about depressing! I was all set to do my usual, blast them with their shonky science, when she said, "Do you think things are worse nowadays in the world compared to how they used to be?". I thought about this and I thought about the rant I wanted to give, and what happened was I exhaled very deeply and said in a very cool voice "No, I think things are just fine". I smiled warmly and said I had no desire to take it further and they left. Woo hoo!!! It was so liberating not to get dragged into some stupid debate where they won't see facts. When I was looking them in the eye I just knew they were going to toe the party line and defend the WTS at all costs no matter what, so what's the point?

This was a milestone for me. I can take a debate or I can leave it, whereas before I had to take it. Like getting goaded by the guy who says "Whatsa matter? Chicken?" I didn't rise to the bait and I felt REALLY GOOD knowing they were wrong but not having to tell them.

I should ignore them more often!!!

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People From _________ will laugh at us even more now!

by Why Georgia in

my 5 year old son plays soccer.

he's no beckham or pele but he is learning the game and he loves it.

i can barely get him to wear a helmet to ride his bike and now this.. massachusetts will be the only state in the u.s. to have this rule if it passes.

cheeseman

I think that wearing headgear would be unnecessary. Of course it can be argued that kids do sustain head injuries playing football (soccer). But so what? Are we gonna wrap up kids in cotton wool so that they don't grow into men? The physical risk is part of the game. If they are going to put headgear on soccer players what are they gonna put on rugby players? Cover them in bubble wrap? Risk is part of life. The earlier a kid realises this the better.

I played soccer since I could walk, mostly against kids who were far bigger than me physically since I was such a puny specimen. The thought of being crunched actually made me a better player since I would do anything to avoid another clattering from some meathead. As a result I would emerge with the ball and my body in good nick. On occasion I did take a whack. Once a fully grown man blasted the ball square in my face. It was an accident of course. I was only about 12 years old. I fell unconscious to the floor. But after a few minutes I came to and finished the game. I call it character builiding! Another time I was about 14 or 15 playing for my local pub team. I was flying up the wing with the ball at my feet, really running flat out. Some gorilla about 40 years of age and weighing a good 16 stone bodyslammed me, he was nowhere near the ball. I actually FLEW through the air and landed on the wet turf. I then slid for a good few feet and just lay there wondering where the hell I was. I remember a ring of faces above me looking pretty concerned. But after a while I shook it off and continued. No big deal IMV.

Sometimes people do get really hurt. Like I say, risk is part of life. If you give in to wearing headgear then what's next? There are many times more injuries in the leg department. Damaged cruciate ligaments, for example. Players often develop arthritis in the legs in later life. They are just going to have to ban soccer. Then what? Running??? Think of all the injuries that a standard athlete gets. Pulled hamstrings, archilles problems, etc, etc. Again, good risk of arthritis in the kness later on.

If the argument is that heading the ball repeatedly over many years is the big risk then they will simply have to ban heading the ball. Wearing headgear won't change a thing since the force of the ball meeting with the head (even in headgear) will still jolt the head and shake the brain.

They can't make the ball lighter since it would become uncontrollable. Ever tried playing with a plastic soccer ball?

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How many languages?

by cheeseman in

was there really just one language before the tower of babel shinanigans?.

what do scholars make of this?

cheers.

cheeseman

When I say scholars I mean bible scholars going solely on the scriptures.

Are there contradictions with this whole story?

I'm not referring to those who study linguistics who thoroughly trash the accounts from a scientific standpoint.

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How many languages?

by cheeseman in

was there really just one language before the tower of babel shinanigans?.

what do scholars make of this?

cheers.

cheeseman

Was there really just one language before the Tower of Babel shinanigans?

What do scholars make of this?

Cheers.

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Is there a contradiction with the wedding in Cana thing?

by cheeseman in

i've often read jesus couldn't have been in the wilderness and at this wedding at the same time, so what's going on here?.

is there a case for a real contradiction?.

or is it really just misunderstanding the scriptures?.

cheeseman

I've often read Jesus couldn't have been in the wilderness and at this wedding at the same time, so what's going on here?

Is there a case for a real contradiction?

Or is it really just misunderstanding the scriptures?

I was trying to find a decent debate about it on the 'net but I didn't get very far.

Anyone know of an exhaustive critique which is fair to both sides?

Or, if you know all the ins and outs could someone lay it out for me?

Thanks in advance!

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So were any bible prophecies true?

by cheeseman in

i'm just wondering to what extent the bible accurately predicted future events?.

when i was a good little jw, i was constantly reassured that we could have confidence in the paradise because the bible always got it's predictions correct since it was inspired by jah, blah, blah.. does anyone know of a good website which critically examines each bible prophecy one by one?

what do real bible scholars with no bias make off all these prophecies?.

cheeseman

I'm just wondering to what extent the bible accurately predicted future events?

When I was a good little JW, I was constantly reassured that we could have confidence in the paradise because the bible always got it's predictions correct since it was inspired by Jah, blah, blah.

Does anyone know of a good website which critically examines each bible prophecy one by one?

What do real bible scholars with no bias make off all these prophecies?

Are there any prophecies which truly baffle scholars and are 100% worthy of being bona fide?