Posts by EvilForce

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Daniel's Prophecy, 605 BCE or 624 BCE?

by Little Bo Peep in

hello all, i've been reading your site for a couple of years now, and have found, for the most part, it to be very helpful.

i must say, at first i was very "scared" at what i might find, but contrary to what i grew up learning, there is a "wealth" of information outside of the watchtower organization.

i haven't attended meetings for about two years now, and like many i've read about, have spent many hours researching, telling myself "i'm not wrong for searching", and doing more research.

EvilForce

I've read all 32 pages of this painful thread. I have learned more about Babalonian history, regnal, chronological...blah..blah...blah than I care to. I'm not a bible scholar nor a history major...but I am one smart cookie. From where I sit Scholar you have gotten your arse handed to you. Your arguments have been weak, cloudy, and deceptive IMHO. Scholar you say the WTBS is correct and everyone else is wrong on this. You tell me I can trust the WTBS on secular matters like this. I'm supposed to trust this same outfit that once told us that aluminium cookware was hazzardous to our health and would kill us. That vaccinations were a "pus and hadn't saved a single life". That space travel was mere fantasy and impossible. That the human body "fed" on blood and all sorts of medical nonsense. This list can go on and on. The WTBS track record on secular matters is awful. So I'm now supposed to trust them over 100's of other experts that disagree with them? I think not!
The WTBS is the only major group that needs 607 to be "fact". This is the WTBS core tenant that must hold together. Other religions do not live or die by subscribing to 587 or 607. Only the Dub's HAVE to use 607, otherwise their reason for being is nullified. It's in their vested interest to keep up this charade.
Since the Dub's are the ONLY true religion you would like to think that their core tenant would be historically accurate and easy to verify. Why trust an organization that can't clearly substaniate history? Jesus us told us to examine all things. I've examined this and know 607 is NOT right.
Step back for a moment Scholar and look how silly your arguments look.
Respectfully,
EvilForce

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Belief-O-Meter Know Your Faith...

by EvilForce in

this is a fun little site where you spend 15 or 20 minutes answering 20 questions and it will give you the rankings of the 27 most popular religions in america by % basis on how much you agree with them.

go to: http://www.beliefnet.com/story/76/story_7665_1.html my results listed below: .

1. unitarian universalism (100%) .

EvilForce

This is a fun little site where you spend 15 or 20 minutes answering 20 questions and it will give you the rankings of the 27 most popular religions in America by % basis on how much you agree with them.
Go to: http://www.beliefnet.com/story/76/story_7665_1.html My results listed below:
1. Unitarian Universalism (100%)
2. Liberal Quakers (98%)
3. Taoism (94%)
4. Theravada Buddhism (94%)
5. Mahayana Buddhism (92%)
6. Neo-Pagan (88%)
7. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (85%)
8. New Age (80%)
9. Jainism (74%)
10. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (72%)
11. Bahá'í Faith (71%)
12. Secular Humanism (70%)
13. New Thought (67%)
14. Hinduism (65%)
15. Orthodox Quaker (63%)
16. Scientology (62%)
17. Reform Judaism (60%)
18. Sikhism (59%)
19. Nontheist (41%)
20. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (40%)
21. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (37%)
22. Orthodox Judaism (31%)
23. Seventh Day Adventist (29%)
24. Islam (25%)
25. Jehovah's Witness (25%)
26. Eastern Orthodox (15%)
27. Roman Catholic (15%)

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Homosexuality What the Bible Really Says...

by EvilForce in

to all my very patient friends out there thank for your support here.

over many threads i have argued and posted on what various indivdual versus in the bible say.

to put it all together i decided to create it's own topic thread so it could be referred back to in the future.

EvilForce

Oh...hey we can all have fun with this thread. Jokes are ribbing (for his pleasure) are always ok :)

Nark....I'm working on your questions. Will post when I can get my thoughts formulated in a shortened and readable format.

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It's tough not to FREAK OUT at dubs

by GetBusyLiving in

jw
friends

man i didn't realize how tough it is to not to lose your mind and get dogmatic while talking with jay-dubs a while ago.

just hearing those stupid answers, seeing the blank looks, and being called an apostate whenever they are cornered is soooo frustrating!!

have you guys had experiences like that too?

EvilForce

**doctors must meet a lot of idiots. and yet i've never seen a doctor lose it on some moron in the ER.
Um...I think ER doctors call them restraining straps and sedatives. :) Too bad you couldn't do that to a Dub eh? LOL

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A newbie's impression on this board, pros and cons

by smelly onions in

cons.

i don't know who is scarier, the jw's or some people on this board.

man, r u guys bitter?

EvilForce

Evil calls Bullshit !
Ain't buying any stinking onions from a troll.

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A newbie's impression on this board, pros and cons

by smelly onions in

cons.

i don't know who is scarier, the jw's or some people on this board.

man, r u guys bitter?

EvilForce

Well Smelly would you care to enlighten us all with YOUR story then? A log at sea is a rather b.s. analogy if you ask me. If you really believed it you'd be going to meetings. What's your scoop?

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A newbie's impression on this board, pros and cons

by smelly onions in

cons.

i don't know who is scarier, the jw's or some people on this board.

man, r u guys bitter?

EvilForce

You'd break it off for "silly" reasons? Are you gay?
But here's a tip. You've been a member for what 6 hours? Stick around here for a month posting and reading other's stories. Then give us your viewpoint. I'll refrain from judging you by your earlier comments today. Sound fair?
But I encourage you to look around and dig into the many issues that people have with the Dub's and their dogma. Rather interesting. Welcome.

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Homosexuality What the Bible Really Says...

by EvilForce in

to all my very patient friends out there thank for your support here.

over many threads i have argued and posted on what various indivdual versus in the bible say.

to put it all together i decided to create it's own topic thread so it could be referred back to in the future.

EvilForce

Nark...your beliefs about translation aside if you think it's truly about male sex...then prohibition of male-male sex as you say occurs only in the "holiness code" of Leviticus and nowhere else. But other prohibitions in the "holiness code" of Lev. recur in other places in the Bible. Adultery is mentioned in Lev. 18:20 and 20:10 and again in Exodus 20:14, Numbers 5:11-31, and Duet. 5:18 and 22:22-27. Incest is mentioned in Lev. 18:6-18 and 20:11-12, 14, 17 and 19-21, and again in Deut. 22:30, 27:20 and 22-23. And bestiality is mentioned in Lev. 18:23 and 20:15-16 and then also in Exodus 22;18 and Duet. 27:21. These other offenses are forbidden in various contexts, but male-male sex (if we use your interpretation) is mentioned only in the "holiness code" of Lev. That being the case then you would need to conclude that like the other commands in the "holiness code" that were about uncleanness and holiness this would be included. The concern then was to keep Israel distinct from the Gentiles.

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Homosexuality What the Bible Really Says...

by EvilForce in

to all my very patient friends out there thank for your support here.

over many threads i have argued and posted on what various indivdual versus in the bible say.

to put it all together i decided to create it's own topic thread so it could be referred back to in the future.

EvilForce

U/D...great post...my feelings exactly.
Sonny I will post on your questions later this afternoon. I owed Classist some answers.
Class...the 2 authors I mentioned are Daniel A. Helminiak, PhD. He entered the seminary, completed a B.A. in philosophy at St. Vincent College, Latrobe, PA, and an S.T.B. and S.T.L. in Catholic doctrine at the Pontifical Gregorian University in Rome, Italy. During his Roman years he lived at the Scots College, spoke Italian on the streets, and passed oral exams in Latin. He served as assistant pastor; and then, making a first self-responsible choice that started the dominos falling, he began a life's pilgrimage that led him to resign from the priesthood and eventually join, leave, and rejoin the faculty at the State University of West Georgia. Along the way he completed a Ph.D. in systematic theology at Boston College and Andover Newton Theological School, an M.A. in personality psychology at Boston University, and a Ph.D. in educational psychology at the University of Texas at Austin. His theology dissertation dealt with the mystical Christian belief that "we are one in Christ," and his psychology dissertation, with the spiritual implications of the "crisis" of meaning and value in midlife.
In addition, he is certified as a Fellow of the American Association of Pastoral Counselors. He was assistant professor for systematic theology and spirituality at Oblate School of Theology, San Antonio, Texas, and has published The Same Jesus: A Contemporary Christology, Spiritual Development: An Interdisciplinary Study; The Human Core of Spirituality: Mind as Psyche and Spirit, and Religion and the Human Sciences: An Approach via Spirituality, as well as numerous popular and technical articles. His best-seller, What the Bible Really Says about Homosexuality, was republished in an up-dated edition. At Boston College he was teaching assistant to the Jesuit philosopher, theologian, methodologist Bernard Lonergan, whom Time magazine called the Thomas Aquinas of the 20th Century and whose thought influences all of Daniel's thinking. His specialization is spirituality as a psychological phenomenon and its role of spirituality in a global society. He teaches and writes about spirituality, interdisciplinary method, human development, ethics, and sexuality.
The other is Robin Scroggs who is not gay and just passed away this year. He was Professor Emeritus of Biblical Theology at Union. An ordained Elder in The United Methodist Church who also studied rabbinics for a year as an Inter-Faith Fellow at Hebrew Union College, Robin Scroggs came to Union in 1986 after 17 years on the faculty at the Chicago Theological Seminary. His teaching and research concentrated on the theology of the New Testament, especially that of Paul, and the use of sociological and psychological models as aids in interpreting texts. Scroggs was the author of Paul for a New Day (1977), The New Testament and Homosexuality (1983), Christology in Paul and John (1988), and Text and Times (1993).

A native of North Carolina, Dr. Scroggs graduated in 1952 from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill with two degrees in music and then received the B.D. from the Divinity School of Duke University in 1955. Accomplished in piano, organ, and keyboard, Dr. Scroggs worked as a choir master and organist while earning his Ph.D. in New Testament at Princeton University. He conducted a choir during the ten years he taught at Dartmouth College and led a legendary Renaissance singing group during his years in Chicago.

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Homosexuality What the Bible Really Says...

by EvilForce in

to all my very patient friends out there thank for your support here.

over many threads i have argued and posted on what various indivdual versus in the bible say.

to put it all together i decided to create it's own topic thread so it could be referred back to in the future.

EvilForce

PC.....for the "it isn't in nature" b.s. argument one particular book is helpful. Bruce Bagemihl's "Biological Exuberance," published in 1999, documents homosexual behavior in more than 450 animal species. The list includes grizzly bears, gorillas, flamingos, owls and even several species of salmon.

"The world is, indeed, teeming with homosexual, bisexual and transgendered creatures of every stripe and feather," Bagemihl writes in the first page of his book. "From the Southeastern Blueberry Bee of the United States to more than 130 different bird species worldwide, the 'birds and the bees,' literally, are queer."

450 !!! So much for the "nature" argument.