Thank you for taking the time to respond to my post - it's always good to see Jehovah's people defending their faith - I wish more of them were on here, but unlikely given the WTS ban on viewing sites such as these. Perhaps you may wish to start a new thread called "Why the WTS ban on visiting apostate discussion boards doesn't apply to me." I'd love to hear your reasoning on that subject. I don't know of any WTS ban on viewing sites like this one. JWs, however know that there are rude people here. And as Obi Wan said "JWD forum: You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious." The WTS does not have authority to ban anything. The WTS is a printing company. The governing body does not have the authority to ban anything and they have not because as the Bible says, that the apostles are not masters of our faith. Thus how can anyone else be. Anyway let me try and address the points you are trying to make. First, Jehovah's Witnesses is not a high control or controversial religious cult. If that were the case I would know it The WTS is a high control group. They offer advice, suggestions and diktats on matters such as what to wear whilst at worship, what to wear in your leisure time, how to educate your children, what employment is suitable, what to do on vacation, how to plan your time for preaching activity, sexual practices in the marriage, what internet sites you can and cannot view, your choice of reading material - the list goes on and on and on. Compared to other Christian faiths in the mainstream, the WTS attempts a high degree of control under the guise of restoring pure Christian worship. This may have carried some weight were it not for the constantly changing standards and the tenuous link between how the Supreme Being Creator of the Entire Universe feels about whether I wear a tie to the meeting (or not). You are so wrong. The WTS does nothing of the sort. The governing body through the teaching committee has taught that we ought to give God glory. Thus what we wear is concerning that end. As far was the rest, you are so full of youself. Get a dose of reality. And compared to other religions? Other religions do not focus on God and giving him glory. Is the JW movement a cult? I beg you to educate yourself with some impartial reading material - Steve Hassan has written a couple of excellent books on the subject and is recognised as being a subject matter expert. I don't give a rip about how you or anyone defines a cult. I congratulate you on having the temerity (and disrespect) to assume to speak for the entire community of posters and viewers here on JWD. Last figure I heard was something in the order of 16,000 unique visitors per day. Hardly a handful, and in any case it matters not whether what happens is according to the teachings of the WTS - Jesus explained that by their fruits you shall know them. Yes, and all of the ones that I see here have wicked and evil fruitage. And it does not matter how many are here. What matters is that the ones here are not ones anyone would call friends. There is much bad fruitage exposed on this board, but you would belittle and humiliate the child abuse victims and deny the parents that have lost children to the blood fraction policy? I state that it is not a religious issue. And no one was lost to the blood fraction policy since it is a matter of conscience. Incidentally nice use of 'generalization' fallacy - its not often one sees an entire discussion forum community labelled so neatly. If the shoe fits. And have you listened to all of the audio and read all of the messages. Until you have, then your opinion means squat. 36 District Conventions, 72 Circuit Assemblies and 7500 hours of assorted meetings enables me not to have to listen to any more WTS 'information'. Well, since I don't have any WTS information, I don't have a reference point for you. And your statement is meaningless until you come forward with a reference point. If there is any specific WTS teaching that you would like the official 'truth' position on I'd be happy to help. Of course give me a clue by telling me what year you would like to know the 'present truth' for, as most things have changed over the years. But thanks for dismissing my opinion in such a Christ-like manner. "Come to me you who are loaded down....but your opinion means squat..." not quite the way the Bible captures Jesus sentiments. Incidentally nice use of classic ad hominem technique. I have no idea what WTS teachings are. As I said, I listen to talks by Jehovah's Witnesses. Only a minority work at the Watchtower Society. And why would you quote the watchtower.org anyway since you don't seem to believe in it? Not really worth arguing this point - we all know that jwproclaimers.org is not the official site of the WTS and further to that, is not 'endorsed' see Sep 2007 KM for further details on why it is not 'endorsed'. I didn't say that jwproclaimers.org is an official site of the WTS. I said it is an official site of Jehovah's Witnesses. There is no WTS audio or video on there. But then you don't bother to read things do you? And it does not matter what the governing body endorses either. What that was saying was for people not to ask them but it is up to the people. But then you don't know what endorsing means. In answer to your question I quoted the official website to address your false claim that jwproclaimers.org was in some way officially approved. Do you not see that the WTS edict banning jwproclaimers.org et al is yet another example of a high control group practicing information control? Incidentally nice use of 'red herring' fallacy - my belief, or otherwise, in WTS teachings is not really the issue here. There is not WTS ban. And I didn't say that it was officially approved. I said it is an official site of Jehovah's Witnesses because what is more official than the meetings and assemblies. Looking forward to your rebuttal - don't let me down :-) Now that American Idol is done, I have more time. See, there is no ban on TV. But these forums I do not like. They are advertising laden and email is better. Best regards Paul Morrison PS - Yes, Paul Morrison is my real name - I don't have to hide behind an anonymous username because I'm not in a high control cult. I don't hide behind a screenname because of a religion. I hide behind one because you people are dangerous. When someone on here said that he drove by my business and house and wrote with ill intent, that classified him as a stalker. Maybe he was after my children. So you people are dangerous. A rational dialogue is not sufficient for you all.
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pro-witness website
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anybody know what/who/why of this website?
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pro-witness website
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Thank you for taking the time to respond to my post - it's always good to see Jehovah's people defending their faith - I wish more of them were on here, but unlikely given the WTS ban on viewing sites such as these. Perhaps you may wish to start a new thread called "Why the WTS ban on visiting apostate discussion boards doesn't apply to me." I'd love to hear your reasoning on that subject.
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I don't know of any WTS ban on viewing sites like this one. JWs, however know that there are rude people here.
And as Obi Wan said "JWD forum: You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious."
The WTS does not have authority to ban anything. The WTS is a printing company. The governing body does not have the authority to ban anything and they have not because as the Bible says, that the apostles are not masters of our faith. Thus how can anyone else be.
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Anyway let me try and address the points you are trying to make.
First, Jehovah's Witnesses is not a high control or controversial religious cult. If that were the case I would know it
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The WTS is a high control group. They offer advice, suggestions and diktats on matters such as what to wear whilst at worship, what to wear in your leisure time, how to educate your children, what employment is suitable, what to do on vacation, how to plan your time for preaching activity, sexual practices in the marriage, what internet sites you can and cannot view, your choice of reading material - the list goes on and on and on. Compared to other Christian faiths in the mainstream, the WTS attempts a high degree of control under the guise of restoring pure Christian worship. This may have carried some weight were it not for the constantly changing standards and the tenuous link between how the Supreme Being Creator of the Entire Universe feels about whether I wear a tie to the meeting (or not).
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You are so wrong.
The WTS does nothing of the sort. The governing body through the teaching committee has taught that we ought to give
God glory. Thus what we wear is concerning that end.
As far was the rest, you are so full of youself. Get a dose of reality.
And compared to other religions? Other religions do not focus on God and giving him glory.
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Is the JW movement a cult? I beg you to educate yourself with some impartial reading material - Steve Hassan has written a couple of excellent books on the subject and is recognised as being a subject matter expert.
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I don't give a rip about how you or anyone defines a cult.
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I congratulate you on having the temerity (and disrespect) to assume to speak for the entire community of posters and viewers here on JWD. Last figure I heard was something in the order of 16,000 unique visitors per day. Hardly a handful, and in any case it matters not whether what happens is according to the teachings of the WTS - Jesus explained that by their fruits you shall know them.
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Yes, and all of the ones that I see here have wicked and evil fruitage.
And it does not matter how many are here. What matters is that the ones here are not
ones anyone would call friends.
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There is much bad fruitage exposed on this board, but you would belittle and humiliate the child abuse victims and deny the parents that have lost children to the blood fraction policy?
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I state that it is not a religious issue.
And no one was lost to the blood fraction policy since it is a matter of conscience.
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Incidentally nice use of 'generalization' fallacy - its not often one sees an entire discussion forum community labelled so neatly.
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If the shoe fits.
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And have you listened to all of the audio and read all of the messages. Until you have, then your opinion means squat.
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36 District Conventions, 72 Circuit Assemblies and 7500 hours of assorted meetings enables me not to have to listen to any more WTS 'information'.
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Well, since I don't have any WTS information, I don't have a reference point for you.
And your statement is meaningless until you come forward with a reference point.
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If there is any specific WTS teaching that you would like the official 'truth' position on I'd be happy to help. Of course give me a clue by telling me what year you would like to know the 'present truth' for, as most things have changed over the years. But thanks for dismissing my opinion in such a Christ-like manner. "Come to me you who are loaded down....but your opinion means squat..." not quite the way the Bible captures Jesus sentiments. Incidentally nice use of classic ad hominem technique.
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I have no idea what WTS teachings are. As I said, I listen to talks by Jehovah's Witnesses.
Only a minority work at the Watchtower Society.
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And why would you quote the watchtower.org anyway since you don't seem to believe in it?
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Not really worth arguing this point - we all know that jwproclaimers.org is not the official site of the WTS and further to that, is not 'endorsed' see Sep 2007 KM for further details on why it is not 'endorsed'.
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I didn't say that jwproclaimers.org is an official site of the WTS. I said it is an official
site of Jehovah's Witnesses. There is no WTS audio or video on there. But then you don't bother
to read things do you?
And it does not matter what the governing body endorses either. What that was saying was for
people not to ask them but it is up to the people. But then you don't know what endorsing means.
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In answer to your question I quoted the official website to address your false claim that jwproclaimers.org was in some way officially approved. Do you not see that the WTS edict banning jwproclaimers.org et al is yet another example of a high control group practicing information control? Incidentally nice use of 'red herring' fallacy - my belief, or otherwise, in WTS teachings is not really the issue here.
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There is not WTS ban.
And I didn't say that it was officially approved.
I said it is an official site of Jehovah's Witnesses because what is more official than
the meetings and assemblies.
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Looking forward to your rebuttal - don't let me down :-)
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Now that American Idol is done, I have more time. See, there is no ban on TV.
But these forums I do not like. They are advertising laden and email is better.
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Best regards
Paul Morrison
PS - Yes, Paul Morrison is my real name - I don't have to hide behind an anonymous username because I'm not in a high control cult.</quote>
I don't hide behind a screenname because of a religion. I hide behind one because you people are dangerous. When someone on here said that he drove by my business and house and wrote with ill intent, that classified him as a stalker. Maybe he was after my children. So you people are dangerous. A rational dialogue is not sufficient for you all. -
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pro-witness website
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[quote]>It is the place to get fair and balanced information by, for and about Jehovah's Witnesses.
I don't fully agree that the best source of fair and balanced information on a high control controversial religious cult is from their own teachings. It would certainly form part of an exhaustive study, but to call it 'the place' is inaccurate IMHO.
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First, Jehovah's Witnesses is not a high control or controversial religious cult. If that were the case I would know it.
Secondly, people on this forum form their opinions by what happens to a handful of people and this that happens is not in line with the teachings of the religion.
And have you listened to all of the audio and read all of the messages. Until you have, then your opinion means squat.
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>It is an official site of Jehovah's Witnesses. Afterall, what is more official than
>the meetings and assemblies themselves?
No it's not. From www.watchtower.org "This is the authoritative Web site about the beliefs, teachings, and activities of Jehovah’s Witnesses. The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc. is a legal organization in use by Jehovah’s Witnesses."
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The Watchtower Society put that on there back in 1996. But as it says, it is the legal instrument used by JWs.
Since watchtower.org is the legal site, it does not contain teaching beyond what is printed.
And why would you quote the watchtower.org anyway since you don't seem to believe in it? Who is calling whom high control here?
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>The requirement of the user and password is for people to respect the provisions.
Seems a strange way for a not-for-profit religious publishing house to behave given there is no incremental cost or loss of revenue associated with making this information widely available. Most reputable charities don't restrict access to their content - rather they encourage it.
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"not-for-profit religious publishing house". Huh? Where did you get that from? It is a for-profit printing house that puts that on. And the access is not restricted and it is encouraged. You need to remember that there are working people with JOBS behind that and it takes alot of time. The objective is not just to download but it is to participate in the group and learn from the others. -
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pro-witness website
by besty inwww.jwproclaimers.org.
anybody know what/who/why of this website?
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>anybody know what/who/why of this website? all links require a username and password.....
It is the place to get fair and balanced information by, for and about Jehovah's Witnesses.
It is an official site of Jehovah's Witnesses. Afterall, what is more official than
the meetings and assemblies themselves?
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GB Anthony Morris 2007 DC Talk DESPERATE PLEADINGS
by doinmypart ingb anthony morris gave the final talk on friday's 2007 follow the christ dc.
in the talk he gives reasons for the r&f to trust the fds specifically the gb.. the talk is nauseating, but shows how desperate the gb has become.
they're losing control of the r&f and they know it.. jwd member booby originally posted this speech on the "gb solidifies ownership" thread.
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>Boy you can tell the GB is getting very senile if they picked his dumb as to be with them.
What do you have to offer?
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GB Anthony Morris 2007 DC Talk DESPERATE PLEADINGS
by doinmypart ingb anthony morris gave the final talk on friday's 2007 follow the christ dc.
in the talk he gives reasons for the r&f to trust the fds specifically the gb.. the talk is nauseating, but shows how desperate the gb has become.
they're losing control of the r&f and they know it.. jwd member booby originally posted this speech on the "gb solidifies ownership" thread.
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No, that is in the outline. And we know that you are a goat as you are speaking badly about Christ's brothers.
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GB Anthony Morris 2007 DC Talk DESPERATE PLEADINGS
by doinmypart ingb anthony morris gave the final talk on friday's 2007 follow the christ dc.
in the talk he gives reasons for the r&f to trust the fds specifically the gb.. the talk is nauseating, but shows how desperate the gb has become.
they're losing control of the r&f and they know it.. jwd member booby originally posted this speech on the "gb solidifies ownership" thread.
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>"Correct, one does not have the right to tell another how to live their life. So why does the GB place rules that do just >that to its members, with the threat of being shunned if one doesn't comply?
The GB has not placed any rules and it has no members.
The Governing body oversees the worldwide congregation. That is not about making rules.
>Stop focusing on the GB? That is precisely who the members get their direction from. They oversee the worldwide cong and >make the directives that each member must follow.
It is so funny that you make such broad statements but you can not come up with any real truth to that.
>On what basis do you say that they are "Jehovah's people"? Please answer this."
Jehovah's Witnesses are Jehovah's people because we use his name, do the preaching and are a united brotherhood and have good attitudes about matters. The kind of people that Jehovah God wants. -
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GB Anthony Morris 2007 DC Talk DESPERATE PLEADINGS
by doinmypart ingb anthony morris gave the final talk on friday's 2007 follow the christ dc.
in the talk he gives reasons for the r&f to trust the fds specifically the gb.. the talk is nauseating, but shows how desperate the gb has become.
they're losing control of the r&f and they know it.. jwd member booby originally posted this speech on the "gb solidifies ownership" thread.
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No one cares about your biased opinion.
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GB Anthony Morris 2007 DC Talk DESPERATE PLEADINGS
by doinmypart ingb anthony morris gave the final talk on friday's 2007 follow the christ dc.
in the talk he gives reasons for the r&f to trust the fds specifically the gb.. the talk is nauseating, but shows how desperate the gb has become.
they're losing control of the r&f and they know it.. jwd member booby originally posted this speech on the "gb solidifies ownership" thread.
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Better to get the undoctored version at www.jwproclaimers.org
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GB Anthony Morris 2007 DC Talk DESPERATE PLEADINGS
by doinmypart ingb anthony morris gave the final talk on friday's 2007 follow the christ dc.
in the talk he gives reasons for the r&f to trust the fds specifically the gb.. the talk is nauseating, but shows how desperate the gb has become.
they're losing control of the r&f and they know it.. jwd member booby originally posted this speech on the "gb solidifies ownership" thread.
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Here is a really desperate GB member. Ray Franz But he is right. He says that Jehovah's Witnesses have the truth. So he did get one thing right. http://tinyurl.com/25h3wy