Posts by Shawn

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New developement

by Shawn in

i have a new situation in my circumstance.

sorry to keep bothering you all but i need help, a lot of help.

my friend finally came over today and we talked for a while.

NL2, I know, I know. I didn't mean to say what I said. I talked to her a few minutes ago and told her I was sorry again and that I did not mean to offend her. I am seeking knowldge and frustrated by what I don't understand. She said there was need to say sorry and that she understands it is hard for me. I am going to reread you posts and print them out to reread again. You have offered me good advice and I didn't follow it.

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New developement

by Shawn in

i have a new situation in my circumstance.

sorry to keep bothering you all but i need help, a lot of help.

my friend finally came over today and we talked for a while.

Shawn

As for just reading the Bible she will argue that she cannot understand and that no one can understand. She has told me that before. Only through the WTS can we understand.

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New developement

by Shawn in

i have a new situation in my circumstance.

sorry to keep bothering you all but i need help, a lot of help.

my friend finally came over today and we talked for a while.

Shawn

I know I was going to fast. She has agreed to teach me though. Trial and error, the only thing is I cannot afford to mess up again. Anything I can say that I haven't already to fix it and not put her on the defensive. I tried to explain to her that I was just trying to mak sense of what I did not know.

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New developement

by Shawn in

i have a new situation in my circumstance.

sorry to keep bothering you all but i need help, a lot of help.

my friend finally came over today and we talked for a while.

Shawn

Also, she said that she cannot continue being my friend if she is going to be a JW wholeheartedly. She is right on the edge of being unapproachable. I told her that I will always be there even if she doesn't want me there. She started to cry and said that it didn't matter.

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New developement

by Shawn in

i have a new situation in my circumstance.

sorry to keep bothering you all but i need help, a lot of help.

my friend finally came over today and we talked for a while.

Shawn

I have a new situation in my circumstance. Sorry to keep bothering you all but I need help, a lot of help.

My friend finally came over today and we talked for a while. I prayed hard about what to say and asked the Holy Spirit to guide my words. It started out fine and I asked her to teach me about things in the Reasoning book and she offered to get someone else to teach me because she didn't know enough. I said I needed her there for me and that someone else could be there too. She said she wasn't sure that was okay. I then started asking her why she believed in the WTS. I asked her who she loved more God or the WTS, I am not sure if I said love or who she had faith in more. She said Jehovah. I said me too, I put all my faith in Jehovah and that we could agree on that.

I then asked her if the Truth was capable of being wrong. She said of course. I said by it's very definition the truth must be right otherwise it would be something else. She said that beause man speaks for the Truth than it can be wrong. She said that men can be wrong. I agreed and said that God cannot be wrong. She agreed but said that because man speaks for God we are continualy learning. I pointed out that in the Bible when God spoke for man it was always the Truth. She said that is no longer true.

I lost it there and started to tell her to look into the history of the WTS and compare the KIT to NWT and see if key verses are wrong. She said she would research it. I told her to look outside the WTS for answers and she said all she needed was the Bible. I told her to look in another Bible and not the NWT. She said they were the same but worded differntly. She said that the meaning was the same. I pointed out John 1:1 and how adding 1 single word changes the entire meaning of the Bible. She didn't say anything. I got her to promise to look into things and do her own research.

She then said that I was trying to get her to not be a JW. I told her that was not true and I want her to be a witness of Jehova, and that doesn't mean following the WTS.

She had no argument with the Salvation Method and said that during the 1000 year reign on Christ all will have the chance to be given "Eternal Life" and that JWs on earth now will be the teachers and it will be an easy thing to endure.

What can I do now? Anyone? Did I mess this up or is everything fixable? Please help here, did this go like it should have at all?

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Apostate site?

by Shawn in

i was wondering if the jws concider this site: .

http://www.jwinfoline.com/ .

an apostate one?

Shawn

Here is a little bit from the above site about "Oh My God" being used in society:

"Has anyone else noticed this?

While it is not surprising language has disintegrated, have you noticed this newer more subtle trend gripping people of all ages?

I first noticed it's prevalence on the myriads of decorating programmes on TV. (Yes, I am a decorating junkie.)

When it comes time at the end of the programme for the "big reveal" you hear the choruses of parents and echoes of children all saying "OH MY GOD!"

I find this especially disconcerting coming out of the mouths of babes, but I hear it so often (it often spoils the show i.m.o., so now I had to give this some thought and ask for your comments also."

Very thought provoking. Children and the media using the word God to put emphasis on something. While it is questionable in regards to using the Lord's name in vain. It is hardly an even minor issue that a JW should focus on.

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Apostate site?

by Shawn in

i was wondering if the jws concider this site: .

http://www.jwinfoline.com/ .

an apostate one?

Shawn

After checking the site out I don't know what to say. It isn't really what I had in mind. It seems to be a genuine JW site. Not many people there and it has had 18 members on at the same time at it's highest point. A little too cute for my tastes. Thanks but it appears to be like the others I have seen and there is no thinking going on.

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Apostate site?

by Shawn in

i was wondering if the jws concider this site: .

http://www.jwinfoline.com/ .

an apostate one?

Shawn

do a google search for witnessworld.com It will come up there. But for some reason if you type it it wont come up. Very odd.

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Salvation Discussion

by Shawn in

i want to practice a thechnique that was shared with me today about opening the eyes/minds/hearts of jws.

i need someone to argue the way a jw would about the following question and i will reply and so on until the end.

can i experience "eternal life"?

Shawn

That is kind of what I ment. I did not get to go the whole nine yards but I was show that they offer no "Eternal Life". You are right that that was the point. It seems that either you don't think about it or you are DFd. It is so sad.

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What book helped "open your eyes"

by Shawn in

the obvious two would be coc and isocf.

are there any others that had an impact on your beliefs/doubts?

are there any that are not apostate?

Shawn

Thanks J. I hope you find it. I know that planting the seeds is all I can do. I am just starting to except that fact. It is hard but it is all I can do. I am going to read about cults and mind-control to get a better idea of things.