NL2, you are right. I never really thought about the fact that there is lesser level of brainwashing. She believes what she believes and it wont change. I am concerned though that she will begin to rely on these people that are not genuine friends and when she is DF'd, which she will be as soon as she goes to the Elders and tells them that she has done many things wrong, she will be devastated and possibly become severly depressed. You are right, time is not critical right now but surely you understand that while she cannot fall more under their control she can begin to isolate herself from "worldly" people at which point this all becomes harder. I know that God alone can save her but he needs agents to act through sometimes and what if she fails to allow His agents to come to her?
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by Shawn ini want to practice a thechnique that was shared with me today about opening the eyes/minds/hearts of jws.
i need someone to argue the way a jw would about the following question and i will reply and so on until the end.
can i experience "eternal life"?
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Jehovah's Ministers
by Shawn inwouldn't it be nice if we could beat the wts at it's own game?
basically set up a fake "religion" and use their books and lit., rewritten so there is no copyright.
basically say that we are a new form of jws who have been told by jehovah that there is new light and he has chosen a new voice to say it.
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kls, you gotta wear them for them to smell. j/k
What about their computer systems? Anyone know anything about those? Who does their website or maintains their database. Again I am just throwing ideas out there. Curious is all. -
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Salvation Discussion
by Shawn ini want to practice a thechnique that was shared with me today about opening the eyes/minds/hearts of jws.
i need someone to argue the way a jw would about the following question and i will reply and so on until the end.
can i experience "eternal life"?
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Shawn
I am working on the female aspect now. I do understand that I need to slow down. Just having the info is what I am asking for. I know I cannot approach her about it right now. I am worried because she is doing FS tomorrow and next weekend going away for a JW retreat. I understand there is only so much I can do. I know that there will be a point that I need to hand this to God. I am ready for that but that time is not now. I am not pushing her. I am getting more books and reading more online about cults. I am on this board for your guys input.
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Jehovah's Ministers
by Shawn inwouldn't it be nice if we could beat the wts at it's own game?
basically set up a fake "religion" and use their books and lit., rewritten so there is no copyright.
basically say that we are a new form of jws who have been told by jehovah that there is new light and he has chosen a new voice to say it.
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kls, how quickly we show our true colors. Are you still mad about the Salvation topic? It's alright I still love you. :)~ Seriously though, I just brushed my teeth. My breath is cool.
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Jehovah's Ministers
by Shawn inwouldn't it be nice if we could beat the wts at it's own game?
basically set up a fake "religion" and use their books and lit., rewritten so there is no copyright.
basically say that we are a new form of jws who have been told by jehovah that there is new light and he has chosen a new voice to say it.
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I understand the money issue. Plus the funny thing is we could just claim the current JWs as followers because the ideology is the same. The Romania thing is interesting. Really looking into early JW belief it isn't all that bad. It is a little twisted but not to the degree it is now. It appears the "Reformation" that occured with Christianity that they hate so much really effected there beliefs when it happened to them more than the original.
Back on topic again: Surely there is a way around the legalities. Freedom of religion and plus not using there copyrighted material. Believing or claiming to believe the same tenants they do should make the JWs wonder how it is possible. Again I am just posing an interesting thought. I know it is not pracical but I am at a phase right now in my learning where I am focusing on the fall of the WTS. Humor me please and make some comments. -
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by Shawn inwouldn't it be nice if we could beat the wts at it's own game?
basically set up a fake "religion" and use their books and lit., rewritten so there is no copyright.
basically say that we are a new form of jws who have been told by jehovah that there is new light and he has chosen a new voice to say it.
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Wouldn't it be nice if we could beat the WTS at it's own game? Basically set up a fake "Religion" and use their books and lit., rewritten so there is no copyright. Basically say that we are a new form of JWs who have been told by Jehovah that there is new light and he has chosen a new voice to say it. I mean if the "Annointed" can be DF'd why not the GB no longer the voice of Jehovah on earth. We could either play it where the WTS has to acknowledge this new "Religion" or blast away at it.
If they acknowledge it we can then expose the fact that it was all a lie and see what happens. Just a thought I had before falling asleep last night. It would be nice to use the WTS society aginst themselves. That seems to be the only thing we can really do to them.
Any thoughts? I know it is a little farfetched but there has got to be something. -
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Salvation Discussion
by Shawn ini want to practice a thechnique that was shared with me today about opening the eyes/minds/hearts of jws.
i need someone to argue the way a jw would about the following question and i will reply and so on until the end.
can i experience "eternal life"?
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Shawn
Okay, I asked her for some books to better understand her beliefs. She said she had a "Knowledge" book that she would get for me. She checked her car trunk and she didn't have it but she brought me a book on "Reasoning". Kinda funny that these are the books you called. She gave me Reasoning and I am going to go over the points you gave. I told her I would look it over and that if I had questions could I go to her? She said yes. I now need some help on things in that book that will make her question the WTS. I am going to read some of it but again I am not a JW so I don't know what the strong points are.
Any help here would, as always, be greatly appreciated. I need things that will help make a JW think and if possible doubt what she has bee taught. Thank you guys. -
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Salvation Discussion
by Shawn ini want to practice a thechnique that was shared with me today about opening the eyes/minds/hearts of jws.
i need someone to argue the way a jw would about the following question and i will reply and so on until the end.
can i experience "eternal life"?
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Shawn
Thanks NL2. I will ask since she is going to meeting again tonight. I tried the salvation method today but it put her in a bad mood. I just backed off and told her I am trying to understand and that I had no idea what JWs believe and wanted a better understanding. She said she was sorry and that we could talk about it a different time. I prayed long and hard as she was taking a nap that the Holy Spirit show her something. I am hopinh tonight that maybe something I said to her today will make her question.
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Note from Companies house re the breakdown of WTBS in the UK
by Jim Dee innote from companies house re the breakdown of wtbs in the uk
watch tower house the ridgeway
watch tower house the ridgeway
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I agree, I am hoping that something happens and the Watchtower just collapses. I know it will be bad for a lot of people because their faith has been lost but that is where the counter-cult movement comes in. Cross your fingers.............
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Salvation Discussion
by Shawn ini want to practice a thechnique that was shared with me today about opening the eyes/minds/hearts of jws.
i need someone to argue the way a jw would about the following question and i will reply and so on until the end.
can i experience "eternal life"?
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Shawn
Yeah, 5 days on the board and I am getting things!! Seriously, that was a major thought that I didn't understand until being on this board and talking to people. Thanks bebu