Ever notice that these trolls only spit out the same thin lines..you know the ones without substance and intellectual heft...just like someone pushed a button and out came a canned voice with a pre-programed response. I've noticed that their comments are just like the parrot responses in the meetings....remember that? You couldn't put in anything from your perspective or elaborate, or deviate from the pre programmed drivel. It's hard to explain but even when these posters don't come right out and admit who they are you can TELL they are dubs...there's a stale sameness about their sentence structures and simplistic thoughts. It's a cookie-cutter sameness that speaks volumes about the Borg"s success in dumbing down and speaking down to the rank and file. I've seen too, ample evidence that once lurkers join us and start to express real emotion and feelings and make real observations about their experiences they come to life. The anesthetised brain coming back to life is a wonderful thing to see. I for one think that a jW poster comes to sites like this because the experience of tweaking in forbidden territory is probably exhilarating and SCARY. Fear is the beginning of wisdom......so to that end let 'em come!
zulukai
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Motive of some Posters
by love2Bworldly in"are you hiding what you truely are?
are you embarrased for what you have become?
sure sounds like it to me.
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Up to our elbows in Newbs on JWD
by IP_SEC inwow, what's going on here?
i look at all the new folk here that seem to have joined in the past 2 months and are posters who are under 100 posts and i gotta wonder why.. has something happened in dubland recently to cause a lot of folk to reach out?
if you are new here at jwd, how did you find us?
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zulukai
This site has been an eye-opener for me and I have been out of the Borg for 30 years! I came across it one day while breaking in my very first, brand new computer and I was overcome. I didn't make an introductory post I just started bashing away at my keyboard, so I apologize for this omission...bad manners. Before this I had never shared my story with anyone other than the one or two witness friends I had that were so sure they could bring me to my senses by bombarding me with all the crappola they think passes for highly intelligent and irrefutable proof that they are the Chosen Ones. All MY considerable proof that the WTBTS is a sinister con with an over abundant membership of malicious and mentally challenged cretins dedicated to the destruction of intellect and family ties was met with the famous "Deer in the headlights" stare and slack-jawed consternation. I carried a lonely burden of anger and confusion about the whole experience for a long time.....did not know one single other ex-jw the whole 30 years!!!. I knew I was right to leave but until I started to read the stories on a couple of ex-jw sites I had NO idea that there were thousands of duped x- dubs just like me coming out of the mental darkness with the same stories, or worse. To find such common cause with so many just lifted that final burden of regret and anger off my mind...can't thank all of you enough. WELCOME all you newbies and come on down lurkers...nothing to fear and lots to be gained!
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Totally screwed up.
by betrayedbyall inhi, its been a few months since i last visited the forum and to be honest in that time my life has just continued to go downhill, does it ever get any easier guys, i have been so close to ending it all a few times and dont know how much longer i can take the anquish and pain which i feel every day !!!!!!!!.
i now have no job, no friends, and no desire to fight anymore, i sit here day after day just wanting to sleep so that the mental pain will go away and yet i want peace so much.. my old mum who turns 80 next month, and who has been a witness for 50 years, has been so hurt by the events that led to my dissasociation she has now stopped going to the kingdoom hall, but i can see how sad and confused she is and i feel i have caused her great hurt in her later years, she has a bad heart and looks so worn down, i am worried sick she may pass away in this condition and this is tearing me apart also.
you might remember i lost my job after 28 years after being bullied and putting in a claim of harrasment, i then started up my own business and 10 witnesses worked for me, the lies and deceit was beyond words and in the end i had to close most of the business down, after that it was only myself and a non witness friend who were working together.
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Oh, dear man!! Please go to your doctor and get some of the excellent medication now available for depression. It will take the edge off, calm you and help you get a grip. The advice here is right on, .esp Dr. Evil who said it best...get help now. Sleeping all the time is a classic depression symptom but you can sink deeper and deeper into the fog until you can"t get out of bed. Been there, done that! WE know what devastation you've been through. Please talk to someone ASAP. Your poor mom is to be commended for joining you even at her age....and she made a decision that's admirable...how many stories on this board of the shocking cruelty of family members toward their own flesh and blood! You need to get medical help now...you will sort out the crap later. I truly know how overwhelming it all looks. That's why you need to break it down to a simple one step at a time. And the first step is all about YOU getting help NOW! Love, Zu
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Does anyone think the WTS is actually a 'front' organization?
by truth_about_the_truth ini've been thinking about this for a little while and it appears that this is a possibility.
although i cant say that there is solid evidence, it looks as if the clues are there:.
- clandestine involvement with the un as an ngo.
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zulukai
I've been out of the Borg a LONG time. But it took a long time to get it out of me. In the aftermath of all the grief and the doubt I began to read and search and take a good long look at religion...the need for, the concepts behind it all, and I have to tell you I for one, DO see a sinister thread of similarity between Jdubbery and other toxic-exotic belief systems. What I've read on this thread makes sense to me from the stand point of what I've already suspected. I don't think we can discount the tie-in to the Mason's, the Knights Templar, the occult symbolism and the spiritism of people affiliated to the New World Translation and all the rest of the stuff as merely incidental or co-incidental. All of these affiliations and incorporations of occult symbolism are to my mind exactly like the wisps of cyber energy left in our computers even when we delete and purge...we don't see them but they are real...ghosts in the machine. The WTBTS is full of such ghosts. It's a rotten tree that has produced warped and twisted reasoning, ruined lives, it even claims that the creator of the universe is the real author of the drivel they peddle. Look at the wreckage among us on this forum...all of it done in the name of God. This alone should alert us that there is more going on with this creepy coven than meets the eye. I think a lot of really shocking stuff is yet to be uncovered to the light of day about this dangerous cult.
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QUOTES.CA What won't the WBTS admit?
by hamsterbait inthe fantastic quotes website said that as of 2005.01.31, the wt has not specified which books, specifically, they feel are still copyright protected.. .
the law is that copyright for an author lasts through his life, and for so many years after his death.
(blondie will confirm this - with a source i betchya-) ::: in order to prove that certain works published years ago are still within the copyright, they would have to admit and confirm who wrote those works.. .
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The really hilarious thing about all this is how the Borg is in essence attacking it's own literature! The revelation that these morons have printed eye-bulging, jaw-dropping loads of rubbish over many decades is excrutiatingly obvious. When you use that quotes site and scroll down it's like hitting the motherload of " Borg-speak" dumpster-diving. And for past leaders to be on court record for saying that Jehovah God is the AUTHOR of all this cretinous drivel !!!! Well, be still my heart...do Borg minions never proof read this crap? The pissy arrogance of it all just leaves me speechless. I hope the courts make that cartoon organization and it's legal department into a laughing stock (which we escapees already know it is!).
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List of things banned to JWs
by AllAlongTheWatchtower inmy wife is involved with jws, and i want to find out what they believe, things they do or will not do, that i can present to her in the hope that it will convince her that the jw lifestyle is not for her.
i found out a few things already, like blood and yoga which i told her about, but she was unphased.
("i've never needed a transfusion before anyway, and besides, they told me that doctors have blood substitute now".
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Danny, thank you for posting that incredible list of J-dubbery malarky. It was overwhelming to see all the crap I used to take for granted laid out in black and white. Can't believe I was once so fogged with that man-made shite that I just went along with it. But, as time goes by just about everyone gets to their own saturation level and stands up and says, if only to themselves, ENOUGH ALREADY!!! That's all it takes for most people to start to think..one little crack in the picture. For me it really started after attending one of those "Special Meetings" where a film was shown about the glories of the New System: no more sickness, no more blindness yadayadayada. While all this stuff was chundering on a tiny little thought hit me like a pop-up window: this is nothing more than blatant manipulation of our emotions. They fed us stuff like that because we were FORBIDDEN so much.
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Why do active witnesses frequent the site?
by jimakazi ini'm somewhat currious why active witnesses appear to frequent the site, and if the information on this site causes any to "fade away" or "dis-associate"?.
personally if i have known 18 years ago what i know now i would have been a lot more active in trying to convince all i cared about to leave, instead of fading away [gone with a bang so to speak].
it's funny how when you are in it you can't see it for what it is.
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Great comments on this thread!! I'd just like to add a story that illustrates why some stay or even return to the Borg after seeing an avenue of escape. Many years ago I happened to visit friends in the states who lived next door to their son, an avid 'coon hunter. He had chanced upon a trapped raccoon in his travels and brought it home where he put it in a tiny wooden cage at the side of his garage. I happened to see it there and felt horrified that this wild animal was being kept in such a pitifully small box, all alone without access to water, nothing to climb on, exposed to the elements. Their son used this coon as a live-bait training device for his hunting dogs...they got to sniff the cage and terrorize the trapped animal, snapping and lunging at it as the cage lay on the ground in the midst of the pack. It made me sick but there was nothing I could do about it as the cage was locked and visible from the house. A long time later my friend told me "Oh, by the way that coon you were so concerned about? Well, it got out, someone forgot to lock the cage. It was gone all day, came back in the night we guess and was sitting inside when we found it next morning". Powerful proof that creatures of habit will always return to what they know best. That coon thought he would rather take his chances with what he knew because he didn't know where else to go. Hopefully the JW lurkers will begin to see they have another place to go, there's a whole community of ex-jw's out here and we understand their fears and their sense of dislocation very well. Unlike that little raccoon we don't believe we have to put up with abuse and be kept in captivity to fill the needs of a demented group of old men running their own secret experiments in mind control at our expense.
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What do you feel when you see groups of Jehovah's Witnesses on the street?
by nicolaou inregret, anger frustration?
how about sadness, sorrow, sympathy, understanding, even yearning!.
it can be quite confusing at times.
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zulukai
What do I feel?....apart from cringing embarassment and pity?....DAMN glad it is'nt me!!!!
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The JW new world system scum
by greendawn inwe now know that the new system of things as imagined by the jws is a myth, a poison that's meant to seduce the unaware into the org so that they can then be controlled, abused, and exploited.
but during the time when you were taken in by the myth what sort of things were you imagining about this delightful new world and your participation in it?
or perhaps deep down you never really believed it and ignored it.
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zulukai
Was watching TV one night a long time ago. Jay Leno, doing his intro warmup .....The JW's were at my door again Saturday morning, talking about a paradise, talking about living forever......(Long pause)........BUT WHO WANTS TO LIVE FOREVER WITH A BUNCH OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES?????????!!!!! The audience thought that was pretty funny too!
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A few observations from the DC
by pillsbury ini have been reading over everyones posts from the dc and it made me remember a few things:.
the drama: they definately were discouraging going to collage.
timothy had a friend named jonathon that pursued "worldly goals"- getting an education, getting a good job and getting married and having kids.
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zulukai
Mcsemike...Hi. Just want you to know I can relate to your story in spades.I too had it all, those gifts and talents of mind and ability and had to stuff them all down and prostitue my intellect to fit in with the dumbed down, underachieving mentality the Borg endorses. Saw it happen to others. Saw the blatant hypocracy of the double-standard too. The people who studied with me told me I was NEVER to go to college, not even to think about it. THEY sent their two sons to university...their sons did not become toilet engineers and floor polishers, nor did they ever "Pioneer" (What a dorky stupid term!) One kid with an IQ so far off the graph no one could measure it went on to become an extreamly well paid chemical engineer. The other guy became a school teacher just like his dad,the PO of our hall. Neither one left the religion over their "higher education". I too mourn what I should have been. Although I left the crappola and was enrolled in nursing school four months after I left it was a stopgap measure that I had to do for my kids..to put a roof over our heads and food on the table. I really should have gone into medicine like others of my non-dub family members but I was so exhausted and depleted from the screwing over I got from that cult it was all I could do to keep my sanity never mind go to school for the length of time that would have taken. I would have made a kick-ass investigative journalist too, another of my inclinations. It goes on and on. There have been times when I have just sunk down in misery when I, like you, realize what those morons took from me. There's not a damn thing the matter with being average and working at what you feel does it for you. But through the quirks of genetics some of us are inflicted with multiple talents, mental abilities just screaming to be addressed and to be told you have to be dumbed down and bland and grey and unremarkable to please the mental midgets in the GB, well it's obscene. I too have heard the same crap about the society never forbidding college education when we know damn well they sure as hell did and have written proof from their own books. I've also wondered mightily about the serious mental disorders that pass for intelligence in that religion. Look at all the sad stories on this forum, all kinds of mourning for what should have been and would have been had we not been brainf***ed over and over and over. Just get out there and do what you want to do...get those degrees, write that book...help others. I'm eternally grateful for what I was able to do. Just getting out of the robot farm was a big achievement in itself. Look at it this way: we're actually rejects of the biggest brain-transplant experiment of modern times!! :- )