Posts by isaacaustin

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Diary of a thinking to return ex-Jw

by reniaa in

i thought long and hard about posting this but the mis-information on this site finally persuaded me, i already accept many may not accept what i say on face value and get their appologist pens ready for making sure no pro-witness propaganda slips through the net on this site but here goes....... i've been on this forum for a few months my first post was about how i was thinking of returning to jw's and at my sisters recommendation to look at this site for both sides of the story before taking that step.. i faded from jw's 10/11 years ago now i left my hubby at the time divorced him to going on to have more relationships and kids, i was definately given the impression after asking on this site and with what i read that if i tried to return i might face df or at least a jc but definately a couple of elders questioning me over what i've been upto these last few years - none of these have happened.

i talked with an old jw friend (yes i do have then and she never shunned me quite happily accepted an offer of coffee from me and my asking for a chat) i told her i was interested in going back and was very frank about what i done in the last 10 years but not sure how returning was done now, she quite happily said she go ask for me to find out.. result!

she came back this week and said "all i had to do was goto meetings again" and an offer of a study was there for me if i wanted it to explore the open doubts that i had expressed i now had.. not quite the fire and brimstone welcome this site led me to believe would happen.. i will keep you posted with further updates if i feel the need to put them in future.. .

isaacaustin

reneii:

you said:

If you look at the passover account which jesus is replacing, a yearly event it's obvious this was to be yearly too, not many christian faiths apply it yearly only,

Paul said at 1 Co 11:26

For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.

There is no reference in any sense here as to frequency whatsoever here. You can not logically say that since Jesus replaced a yearly feast it is only correct to do it yearly (and all others are wrong). There is no scruptural basis for this, and it is simply human reasoning.

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Diary of a thinking to return ex-Jw

by reniaa in

i thought long and hard about posting this but the mis-information on this site finally persuaded me, i already accept many may not accept what i say on face value and get their appologist pens ready for making sure no pro-witness propaganda slips through the net on this site but here goes....... i've been on this forum for a few months my first post was about how i was thinking of returning to jw's and at my sisters recommendation to look at this site for both sides of the story before taking that step.. i faded from jw's 10/11 years ago now i left my hubby at the time divorced him to going on to have more relationships and kids, i was definately given the impression after asking on this site and with what i read that if i tried to return i might face df or at least a jc but definately a couple of elders questioning me over what i've been upto these last few years - none of these have happened.

i talked with an old jw friend (yes i do have then and she never shunned me quite happily accepted an offer of coffee from me and my asking for a chat) i told her i was interested in going back and was very frank about what i done in the last 10 years but not sure how returning was done now, she quite happily said she go ask for me to find out.. result!

she came back this week and said "all i had to do was goto meetings again" and an offer of a study was there for me if i wanted it to explore the open doubts that i had expressed i now had.. not quite the fire and brimstone welcome this site led me to believe would happen.. i will keep you posted with further updates if i feel the need to put them in future.. .

isaacaustin

I think Renee is a JW.

I had pmd her with some info awhile back and simply got a general answer. I beleive she is associated in some way with the JWs and from the way she talks trying to defend the org.

That's my take.

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Diary of a thinking to return ex-Jw

by reniaa in

i thought long and hard about posting this but the mis-information on this site finally persuaded me, i already accept many may not accept what i say on face value and get their appologist pens ready for making sure no pro-witness propaganda slips through the net on this site but here goes....... i've been on this forum for a few months my first post was about how i was thinking of returning to jw's and at my sisters recommendation to look at this site for both sides of the story before taking that step.. i faded from jw's 10/11 years ago now i left my hubby at the time divorced him to going on to have more relationships and kids, i was definately given the impression after asking on this site and with what i read that if i tried to return i might face df or at least a jc but definately a couple of elders questioning me over what i've been upto these last few years - none of these have happened.

i talked with an old jw friend (yes i do have then and she never shunned me quite happily accepted an offer of coffee from me and my asking for a chat) i told her i was interested in going back and was very frank about what i done in the last 10 years but not sure how returning was done now, she quite happily said she go ask for me to find out.. result!

she came back this week and said "all i had to do was goto meetings again" and an offer of a study was there for me if i wanted it to explore the open doubts that i had expressed i now had.. not quite the fire and brimstone welcome this site led me to believe would happen.. i will keep you posted with further updates if i feel the need to put them in future.. .

isaacaustin

Reneii

The Bible nowhere states that Jesus is God?

Hebrews 1- in the NWT

7 Also, with reference to the angels he says: “And he makes his angels spirits, and his public servants a flame of fire.” 8 But with reference to the Son: “God is your throne forever and ever, and [the] scepter of your kingdom is the scepter of uprightness. 9 You loved righteousness, and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, your God, anointed you with [the] oil of exultation more than your partners.” 10 And: “You at [the] beginning, O Lord, laid the foundations of the earth itself, and the heavens are [the] works of your hands. 11 They themselves will perish, but you yourself are to remain continually; and just like an outer garment they will all grow old, 12 and you will wrap them up just as a cloak, as an outer garment; and they will be changed, but you are the same, and your years will never run out.”

Unarguably the Father is the one being quoted here in what he has said to the angels and the Son. Notice what he says to the Son in verses 10-12. This is quoting Psalms 102:25-27 (NWT):

24 I proceeded to say: “O my God,
Do not take me off at the half of my days;
Your years are throughout all generations.

25 Long ago you laid the foundations of the earth itself,
And the heavens are the work of your hands.

26 They themselves will perish, but you yourself will keep standing;
And just like a garment they will all of them wear out.
Just like clothing you will replace them, and they will finish their turn.

27 But you are the same, and your own years will not be completed.

28 The sons of your servants will continue residing;
And before you their own offspring will be firmly established.”

Check out check out ch 102 right from verse one thru the end and you will see it is all a prayer to Jehovah. The exact words that David applies to Jehovah in a prayer are applied directly to Jesus by the Father in Hebrews. ALSO- this is an act of dishonesty by the WT in this translation. They claim that in 'restoring' the Divine name to the New testament, or Christian greek Scriptures, they replace all occurences of Lord (Kyrios) with Jehovah IF that New Testament verse is a quotation of an OT verse that bears the Divine name. Inarguably this is an OT verse that does this. So, if the WT were honest and consistent and did this Hebrews 1:10-12 would have the Father calling the Son by the Divine name, Jehovah.

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Diary of a thinking to return ex-Jw

by reniaa in

i thought long and hard about posting this but the mis-information on this site finally persuaded me, i already accept many may not accept what i say on face value and get their appologist pens ready for making sure no pro-witness propaganda slips through the net on this site but here goes....... i've been on this forum for a few months my first post was about how i was thinking of returning to jw's and at my sisters recommendation to look at this site for both sides of the story before taking that step.. i faded from jw's 10/11 years ago now i left my hubby at the time divorced him to going on to have more relationships and kids, i was definately given the impression after asking on this site and with what i read that if i tried to return i might face df or at least a jc but definately a couple of elders questioning me over what i've been upto these last few years - none of these have happened.

i talked with an old jw friend (yes i do have then and she never shunned me quite happily accepted an offer of coffee from me and my asking for a chat) i told her i was interested in going back and was very frank about what i done in the last 10 years but not sure how returning was done now, she quite happily said she go ask for me to find out.. result!

she came back this week and said "all i had to do was goto meetings again" and an offer of a study was there for me if i wanted it to explore the open doubts that i had expressed i now had.. not quite the fire and brimstone welcome this site led me to believe would happen.. i will keep you posted with further updates if i feel the need to put them in future.. .

isaacaustin

I thought long and hard about posting this but the mis-information on this site finally persuaded me, I already accept many may not accept what I say on face value and get their appologist pens ready for making sure no pro-witness propaganda slips through the net on this site but here goes......

I've been on this forum for a few months my first post was about how i was thinking of returning to Jw's and at my sisters recommendation to look at this site for both sides of the story before taking that step.

I faded from Jw's 10/11 years ago now I left my hubby at the time divorced him to going on to have more relationships and kids, I was definately given the impression after asking on this site and with what I read that if I tried to return I might face DF or at least a JC but definately a couple of elders questioning me over what i've been upto these last few years - None of these have happened

I talked with an old JW friend (yes i do have then and she never shunned me quite happily accepted an offer of coffee from me and my asking for a chat) I told her i was interested in going back and was very frank about what I done in the last 10 years but not sure how returning was done now, she quite happily said she go ask for me to find out.

Result! she came back this week and said "all I had to do was goto meetings again" and an offer of a study was there for me if i wanted it to explore the open doubts that I had expressed i now had.

Quite likely you would not be dfed. An offer of a "Bible study", probably consisting of the "Bible teach book" which is the WT interpretaion of the Bible will be strongly pushed on you. I do not see how this proves that the org is God's channel of communication or the one true relgion.

If you can prove to me that this is God's channel of communication (not simply assert) I will accept and go back myself.

Can you do this? I am listening.

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Artificial Blood Found to Raise Risk of Death--News Article 4/29/08

by AndersonsInfo in

http://www.thestar.com/article/419393artificial blood found to raise risk of death april 29, 2008 noor javed.

staff reporter.

blood substitutes significantly increase the chances of heart attacks and death in patients, yet canadian and u.s. regulators gave the green light to testing on humans, says a paper published yesterday.. a review of all published literature on human blood-substitute trials in the journal of the american medical association found that people who received hemoglobin-based blood substitutes during a trial had a 30 per cent greater chance of death, and were three times more likely to suffer a heart attack.. "i became extremely concerned by the consistent pattern of increased risk that patients were being placed in," said dr. charles natanson of the national institutes of health, who led the review.

isaacaustin

1Cr 8:1	¶	Now as touching things offered unto idols, we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth.
1Cr 8:2		And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know.
1Cr 8:3		But if any man love God, the same is known of him.
1Cr 8:4		As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol [is] nothing in the world, and that [there is] none other God but one.
1Cr 8:5		For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
1Cr 8:6		But to us [there is but] one God, the Father, of whom [are] all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom [are] all things, and we by him.
1Cr 8:7		Howbeit [there is] not in every man that knowledge: for some with conscience of the idol unto this hour eat [it] as a thing offered unto an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled.
1Cr 8:8		But meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better; neither, if we eat not, are we the worse.
1Cr 8:9		But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak.
1Cr 8:10		For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols;
1Cr 8:11		And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died?
1Cr 8:12		But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ.
1Cr 8:13		Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend.

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If the light keeps getting brighter, did early christians have it wrong?

by digderidoo in

we are all familiar with the light getting brighter.

new 'truths' replacing old 'truths'.. but what i have been thinking about recently, albeit 12 years too late, is that if that light has been getting brighter over the years, surely centruries ago the early christians got it wrong!!!

well they did if we follow that line of thinking.

isaacaustin

this question would not be a problem for a JW....they would simply reply that the 1st century Christians had it correct....but there was a great apostasy after the death of the apostles. Jesus, as the newly enthroned king, found the IBS faithful and Discreet in carrying out their commision thus chose them as his earthly channel. So, imperfect- yes. But refined and correct by Jehovah as the day gets closer and closer.

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Public Talk & Bookstudy Changes - the real reason

by bud2114 in

i havn't been able to keep up with all the discussion in this forum as to why the gb has suddenly decided to implement these changes and perhaps someone has mentioned this already, but to me the most obvious reason has nothing to do with control, or money.

it has everything to do with the serious shortage of qualified brothers who can (or who are willing to) be used.

i have been involved in the organzation for 40 yrs and i have never seen the level of apathy and disillusionment among those serving in some capacity in this organization.

isaacaustin

as an accountant who is familiar with tax exempt status and tax return filed by exempt orgs i concur with S4. Location or name of meeting has no bearing on tax exempt status.

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What was the amount of the 07 pedo settlement

by boyzone in

i can't find it.

how much did the wt have to pay in the end?.

thanks.

isaacaustin

from memory...there was a thread on this where the amount on one case was leaked at roughly 750,000 and if we assume the victims of the 16 cases got the same we are talking about 12.5 million

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Can a Woman be DFd for wearing a pantsuit to meetings?

by LovesDubs in

jw
friends

im wondering if they are still so tight assed in the organization as to make issue with such matters that they would df a woman who preferred to wear pants to dresses but still came to the hall.

do you think they wouldnt allow her to enter after awhile?

i wore a skort once and gave a talk back in like, 1986 and was soundly reprimanded for wearing apparel that was "masculine and improper for sisters to be wearing".

isaacaustin

some congs allow it (Rapid City, SD), while others do not. I know one hall where a lady wears it and some of the members were quite angry at her and I even heard on 'sister' comment that they should disfellowship this lady for being rebellious. She was never dfed to the best of my knowledge.

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reduce printing

by isaacaustin in

jw
friends

at my church the words to our songs are simply displayed on a screen.

i can see the wt ceasing their printing of songbook and adopting this.

i somewhat wonder why they haven't already....each cong i am assuming pays its own utility bill and this would not be a great increase.

isaacaustin

At my church the words to our songs are simply displayed on a screen. I can see the WT ceasing their printing of songbook and adopting this. I somewhat wonder why they haven't already....each cong I am assuming pays its own utility bill and this would not be a great increase. The WT would save on this printing.