Posts by isaacaustin

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jesus denies being God! scriptural discussion.

by reniaa in

i thought after recently reading the bible i would put up for disussion some recent scriptures up which for me show that jesus never viewed himself as god and anyone listening would also see it this way too.. first mark 10 :17-20.

17as jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him.

"good teacher," he asked, "what must i do to inherit eternal life?

isaacaustin

How many times is the Holy Spirit at God's side? Why is it missing if this Holy Spirit is One God with Jesus? Does God exist divided? The scriptures are proving that two Persons along side each other do not make up One God. It makes two persons that are called God for different reasons. They also have different identities and are different Beings as well. The scriptures are showing you this point blank and you choose to ignore the reality of these visions.

Ok, Joseph....where is the Holy Spirit....let's say for instance in Acts ch 7 where Stephen sees Jesus at the right hand of the Father? There is no mention of the Holy Spirit. Why?

Stephen saw Jesus Christ at the right hand of God. Who relayed this for him to be able to see in his faith this scene? The Holy Spirit. And where is the Holy Spirit when Jesus is sitting at the right hand of God? The Holy Spirit is in His Temple when Jesus is sitting at the right hand of God. And where is the temple of the Holy Spirit? 19 What! Do YOU not know that the body of YOU people is [the] temple of the holy spiritwithin YOU, which YOU have from God? Also, YOU do not belong to yourselves, And this is right out of the New World Translation of Jehovah's Witnesses. The Holy Spirit has to be IN US in order for the believer to be able to see with our minds eye of what the throne of God looks like, the authority that is represented within the scriptures, and how we should be worshiping God. The Holy Spirit opens the eye of our minds to worship Him. This is why the Holy Spirit was sent to bring to mind to the believers the things that they were taught by Jesus.

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jesus denies being God! scriptural discussion.

by reniaa in

i thought after recently reading the bible i would put up for disussion some recent scriptures up which for me show that jesus never viewed himself as god and anyone listening would also see it this way too.. first mark 10 :17-20.

17as jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him.

"good teacher," he asked, "what must i do to inherit eternal life?

isaacaustin

how many times does the bible put jesus at Gods right hand? well these are just a few and they all keep God and Jesus completely separate so by the arguments that if two are in different position then God and jesus are not the same.

The Bible properly puts the Son at the father's right hand. Again, yes they are separate persons. They are not the same person. They each have a different postion- the Father being the source of all authority while the Son is the perfect agent in carrying out that authority. Their OPERATION is as one entity, or one God.

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jesus denies being God! scriptural discussion.

by reniaa in

i thought after recently reading the bible i would put up for disussion some recent scriptures up which for me show that jesus never viewed himself as god and anyone listening would also see it this way too.. first mark 10 :17-20.

17as jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him.

"good teacher," he asked, "what must i do to inherit eternal life?

isaacaustin

you are so right elderrwho...they will twist it, ignore it...cut it off just to uphold doctrine.

My friend when he was little was at the store with his parents to buy a pair of shoes. And there was a pair he loved- but they were too samll for him. So he held in his toes and lied, syaing they fit him fine. Well when home they started to make his feet hurt...so he told his dad. His dad told him they could do one of two things- cut off his toes or cut off the ends of the shoes. They ended up cutting off the ends of the shoes and they looked so silly they could not be used for anything. That is how people look when they ignore or pretend Scriptures don't exist because they can not admit that the source giving them the info is wrong.

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jesus denies being God! scriptural discussion.

by reniaa in

i thought after recently reading the bible i would put up for disussion some recent scriptures up which for me show that jesus never viewed himself as god and anyone listening would also see it this way too.. first mark 10 :17-20.

17as jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him.

"good teacher," he asked, "what must i do to inherit eternal life?

isaacaustin

I looked it up in several instances Joseph. I guess as you like to say "very few people understand the Bible"...except for yourself, of course. Perhpas your quote should be amended to "very few people understand the bible the way Joseph malik does..."

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jesus denies being God! scriptural discussion.

by reniaa in

i thought after recently reading the bible i would put up for disussion some recent scriptures up which for me show that jesus never viewed himself as god and anyone listening would also see it this way too.. first mark 10 :17-20.

17as jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him.

"good teacher," he asked, "what must i do to inherit eternal life?

isaacaustin

It is quite clear what it is saying Joseph. You are just unable/unwilling to accept it.

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jesus denies being God! scriptural discussion.

by reniaa in

i thought after recently reading the bible i would put up for disussion some recent scriptures up which for me show that jesus never viewed himself as god and anyone listening would also see it this way too.. first mark 10 :17-20.

17as jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him.

"good teacher," he asked, "what must i do to inherit eternal life?

isaacaustin

Hebrews 1:1 God, Speaking of the Divine Being as known to the Jews….the person of the father, AKA God
who long ago spoke on many occasions and in many ways to our forefathers by means of the prophets,

2 has at the end of these days spoken to us by means of a Son, Explaining the Son to the Jews
whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the systems of things. Made the worlds- plural. He made everything in the universe.
John 1:3 All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence.

Isaiah 44:24 This is what Jehovah has said, your Repurchaser and the Former of you from the belly: `I Jehovah, am doing everything, stretching out the heavens by myself, laying out the earth. Who was with me?'
3 He is the reflection of [his] glory and the exact representation of his very being, He looks exactly like God. Does anyone else look like God?

Psalm 89 :6 For who in the skies can be compared to Jehovah? Who can resemble Jehovah among the sons of God? 7 God is to be held in awe among the intimate group of holy ones; He is grand and fear-inspiring over all who are round about him. 8 O Jehovah God of armies, Who is vigorous like you, O Jah? And your faithfulness is all around you. 9 You are ruling over the swelling of the sea; When it raises up its waves you yourself calm them.

Interesting point on verse 9- You are ruling over the swelling of the sea; When it raises up its waves you yourself calm them. Jehovah rules over the sea.

Matthew 8

24 Now, look! a great agitation arose in the sea, so that the boat was being covered by the waves; he, however, was sleeping. 25 And they came and woke him up, saying: “Lord, save us, we are about to perish!” 26 But he said to them: “Why are YOU fainthearted, YOU with little faith?” Then, getting up, he rebuked the winds and the sea, and a great calm set in. 27 So the men became amazed and said: “What sort of person is this, that even the winds and the sea obey him?”
and he sustains all things by the word of his power; and after he had made a purification for our sins he sat down on the right hand of the Majesty in lofty places.

He does all the works of God. Can anyone besides God do all the works of God? The last portion would be blasphemous if he were anyone other than God in nature.

4 So he has become better than the angels, to the extent that he has inherited a name more excellent than theirs.

Distinguished now from angels- any angel, archangel or otherwise. He was made better upon his re-glorification. Prior to that he had emptied himself to a nature below that of angels. Notice, better- refers to nature.

5 For example, to which one of the angels did he ever say: "You are my son; I, today, I have become your father"? And again: "I myself shall become his father, and he himself will become my son"?

Romans 1:3,4; concerning his Son, who sprang from the seed of David according to the flesh, 4 but who with power was declared God’s Son according to the spirit of holiness by means of resurrection from the dead—yes, Jesus Christ our Lord,

Acts 13:33; that God has entirely fulfilled it to us their children in that he resurrected Jesus; even as it is written in the second psalm, ‘You are my son, I have become your Father this day.’

Acts and Romans apply his becoming the father’s son at his resurrection- not some creation. The rest of the chapter goes on to show more and more how different the Son is from any angel.

There are two OT quotes- Psalm 2:7, &2 Samuel 7:14-I myself shall become his father, and he himself will become my son

The rest of the chapter distinguishes more between the Son and angels….

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jesus denies being God! scriptural discussion.

by reniaa in

i thought after recently reading the bible i would put up for disussion some recent scriptures up which for me show that jesus never viewed himself as god and anyone listening would also see it this way too.. first mark 10 :17-20.

17as jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him.

"good teacher," he asked, "what must i do to inherit eternal life?

isaacaustin

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jesus denies being God! scriptural discussion.

by reniaa in

i thought after recently reading the bible i would put up for disussion some recent scriptures up which for me show that jesus never viewed himself as god and anyone listening would also see it this way too.. first mark 10 :17-20.

17as jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him.

"good teacher," he asked, "what must i do to inherit eternal life?

isaacaustin

Joseph, can you elaborate a bit on your previous comment and the Greek word transalted 'person'?

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jesus denies being God! scriptural discussion.

by reniaa in

i thought after recently reading the bible i would put up for disussion some recent scriptures up which for me show that jesus never viewed himself as god and anyone listening would also see it this way too.. first mark 10 :17-20.

17as jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him.

"good teacher," he asked, "what must i do to inherit eternal life?

isaacaustin

Great points above.
Heb 1:3 “He is the reflection of [his] glory…"
Hmm, who does God share his glory with??
Isaiah 42:8"I am Jehovah. That is my name; and to no one else shall I give my own glory, neither my praise to graven images.”
Isaiah 48:11 “For my own sake, for my own sake I shall act, for how could one let oneself be profaned? And to no one else shall I give my own glory.”
Pretty clear cut here…a quote from God himself that he shares his glory with no one… Isaiah got to see this glory…
Isaiah 6:1 In the year that King Uz•zi´ah died I, however, got to see Jehovah, sitting on a throne lofty and lifted up, and his skirts were filling the temple. 2 Seraphs were standing above him. Each one had six wings. With two he kept his face covered, and with two he kept his feet covered, and with two he would fly about. 3 And this one called to that one and said: “Holy, holy, holy is Jehovah of armies. The fullness of all the earth is his glory.” 4 And the pivots of the thresholds began to quiver at the voice of the one calling, and the house itself gradually filled with smoke.
5 And I proceeded to say: “Woe to me! For I am as good as brought to silence, because a man unclean in lips I am, and in among a people unclean in lips I am dwelling; for my eyes have seen the King, Jehovah of armies, himself!”
6 At that, one of the seraphs flew to me, and in his hand there was a glowing coal that he had taken with tongs off the altar. 7 And he proceeded to touch my mouth and to say: “Look! This has touched your lips, and your error has departed and your sin itself is atoned for.”
8 And I began to hear the voice of Jehovah saying: “Whom shall I send, and who will go for us?” And I proceeded to say: “Here I am! Send me.” 9 And he went on to say: “Go, and you must say to this people, ‘Hear again and again, O men, but do not understand; and see again and again, but do not get any knowledge.’ 10 Make the heart of this people unreceptive, and make their very ears unresponsive, and paste their very eyes together, that they may not see with their eyes and with their ears they may not hear, and that their own heart may not understand and that they may not actually turn back and get healing for themselves.”

Ok so Isaiah saw Jehovah’s glory. John speaks of this in ch 12….

36 ..Jesus spoke these things and went off and hid from them. 37 But although he had performed so many signs before them, they were not putting faith in him, 38 so that the word of Isaiah the prophet was fulfilled which he said: “Jehovah, who has put faith in the thing heard by us? And as for the arm of Jehovah, to whom has it been revealed?” 39 The reason why they were not able to believe is that again Isaiah said: 40 “He has blinded their eyes and he has made their hearts hard, that they should not see with their eyes and get the thought with their hearts and turn around and I should heal them.” 41 Isaiah said these things because he saw his glory, and he spoke about him. 42 All the same, many even of the rulers actually put faith in him, but because of the Pharisees they would not confess [him], in order not to be expelled from the synagogue; 43 for they loved the glory of men more than even the glory of God.
This is referring to Jesus…verse 36 makes that clear. And John says Isaiah saw Jesus glory. Did he see two separate glories? OR did he see one glory that is one with the persons who posses the same Godly nature and are by nature God? Remember isaih showed that God shares his glory with no one else. So if Jesus was not God by nature this would mean that he lied. If we recognize that Jesus is of the same nature as his Father there is no problem here.

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jesus denies being God! scriptural discussion.

by reniaa in

i thought after recently reading the bible i would put up for disussion some recent scriptures up which for me show that jesus never viewed himself as god and anyone listening would also see it this way too.. first mark 10 :17-20.

17as jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him.

"good teacher," he asked, "what must i do to inherit eternal life?

isaacaustin

why do I keep getting an eror messing in trying to post here???