my brother was engaged to a rather nice girl in our congregation back in the early sixties.
during the engagement they decided that they wanted to call off the wedding.
the same elder who counselled me not to go to college told them that they could not break their engagement as, "being engaged is the same as being married.
i remember being told that in 1996!!
tho if i remember rightly didnt joesph just walk mary over his doorstep and hey presto they were married!
sorry if i feel alittle bitter that engagement can be considered the same as bible times when it suits but not marriage!
i was just wandering.... was it just me or was everyone thinking about it..... ive been in a few congs where some of the sisters were absolutely drop dead gorgeous!
my last cong here in sydney, there was about 160 publishers so the talent was every where... i remember having the hots for this sister, who happens to be the wife of the service overseer... she was xxx hot.
i remember always having to wear my suit coat to the meeting to hide my excitement.. i think all the bro's must have thought the same thing.
hey tik thats soooo funny, thats exactlywhat i was gonna say
i once talked to a jw about disfellowshipping and was curious to how can this be showing a christly love when you all out turn your back on them.
he gave me an answer about rightousness and unrightrousness having no fellowship (which is biblical) but it didnt make sense to me.
didnt seem applicable in many ways.
tik i never thought about how he didnt give up bath shee ba all i thought sbout was how the prodigal son decided hed rather not eat pig crap anymore and went home (for a good meal!) and how mannasseh WHEN IN PRISON softened jehs face and was forgiven, and how judah slept with his daughter in law believing her to be a prositute!) and yet was 'righteous'
but hey why should the fds take any notice of that its only peoples lives (and their familys) the're playing about with,
and im sorry anewme but if you get reinstated when you've openly admitted that you dont go to all the meetings than we must be in a different religon!!
i sent my birthday document (http://thebentinel.com/jw-birthdays.html) to a poster here that is at the very least a jw-sympathizer, if not a full-blown jw.
the response i got back indicated that my reasoning on it was seriously flawed and essentially any idiot with a passing knowledge of scripture and history can tell that birthdays are not something christians should celebrate.. of course, if you're not a bible-believer or a god-believer, you couldn't care less about pagan origins and all that.
but let's keep this conversation on the 'appropriate for christians' vein.
dfed you didnt get the piont, the piont was that makeup is mentioned twice in the bible (just like birthdays) and both times it was on evil people who bad things happened to just like birthdays) and the point is exactly what you said tht the fds DONT say thats wrong so why should they say birthdays is wrong?
tho on the other hand my dad came back with that one by saying jobs daughter wore makeup in fact oneof their names means 'madeup eyes' apparently! he also made me read the reasoning book on how early christians and jesus did not celebrate their birthdays (coz i was saying about wedding rings/veils being pagan) and his point was that today the early christians DID NOT celebrate birthdays but there is nothing in history to say that they didnt wear rings/veils
i'd love to nswer him back, what is the answer?
ok, if you had to choose between looks and personality, which wins?
guys: if a girl is only mediocre in the looks department but is absolutely fab-u-lous in the personality dept...........which is more important to you?
or are they equally important?
hey ballistic is the're really a word for what i said? is that what that nar thing means?
back in the days (sometime around 2003) a co informed our congregation that many publishers were being asked by householders if they 'are saved' and he told us to say, "i am in a saved 'condition'".
we can only be sure we are saved when armageddon has passed and we are still alive on earth.
i thought the whole thing was bizzare because from what i had read in the bible the early christians knew they were saved but here was a representative of the watchtower corporation telling publishers to say we were in a saved 'condition'.
i think you cant get away from the scriptures in the bible that talk about being saved, guess thats why born agains go on about it so much,
i remember doing a demo from the k ministry that the householder asked 'was i saved' and i said 'if you mean do i believe that jesus is my savior then yes i do but i also think that i have to prove myself till the time i am judged (he who endures to the end is the one that will be saved)
now i dont know what the hell to think!!
why just because i am dfed (march) can my family and all the friends ive ever known tell me i am dead to them?.
why have i missed two important family weddings and been told i ruined them coz everyone was upset?.
why if ihave tried to please them and tried once to get reinstated and now finally felt i have to be true to myself have i caused such pain all over again?.
meant to ask tophat why do you thinkit is that jws cant think for themselves when they are hurting to!
ok, if you had to choose between looks and personality, which wins?
guys: if a girl is only mediocre in the looks department but is absolutely fab-u-lous in the personality dept...........which is more important to you?
or are they equally important?
i agree with ballistic i think looks are what attracts u to a person, but i know so many good looking guys who 'know it' and theres nothing worse in being goodlooking and knowing it, i think it instantly makes you unattrative!
so i guess personality is more important,m
sod spirituality
i once talked to a jw about disfellowshipping and was curious to how can this be showing a christly love when you all out turn your back on them.
he gave me an answer about rightousness and unrightrousness having no fellowship (which is biblical) but it didnt make sense to me.
didnt seem applicable in many ways.
bythesea im sorry for your siruation, that is very cruel but you are right the hurt can last a lifetime,
i have took away my ill aging parents happiness in the last years of life i got dfed for texting a guy that i couldnt see ghim anymore!! they said i should not of had a phone coz i knew he text me before, but i swear i said no!! i can get a scripitual divorce for twenty seconds of touching NOTHING ELSE it is a joke!!!!
dfing has destroyed me and my family i have just posted about this as it hurts me so much!
anewme you are wrong if they reinstate you it is a joke you said you were not attending all the meetings so how on earth can you even be putting your letter in???
you say dfing is the last resort well for me it certainly was not!
also you say : 'quit sinning =be welcomed back into the flock,' what a load of crap, no its 'quit sinning, but hey spend 12 months coming to ALL the meetings being stripped of your huminity go before 3 men and only then may you MAYBE be welcomed back, u seem to have a good releationship with your new po are you sure he doesnt fancy you as i have never known of such nice treatment!
im sorry anewme to go on, im just pretty bitter at the mo, if you think attending the meetings means you will come close to jehovah then i wish you well.
why just because i am dfed (march) can my family and all the friends ive ever known tell me i am dead to them?.
why have i missed two important family weddings and been told i ruined them coz everyone was upset?.
why if ihave tried to please them and tried once to get reinstated and now finally felt i have to be true to myself have i caused such pain all over again?.
lisa you are right i am 30 and should grow up!
ballistic thanks so much for posting that, it is a good way to think of things,
tophat im sorry for your situation, but why cant they see that the hurt it causes them (as well as us) can not be right??
