Do gas prices in Europe affect any fs or halls? Or do Europeans just tend to walk more than Americans anyway? carla
Posts by carla
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6Are oil prices hurting the Watchtower?
by truthseeker inwith all the talk about the society now printing paperback bibles, cutting the awake!
issue from 2 to 1 per month, it raises the question:.
are high oil prices affecting the watchtower?
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YOU'RE ALL GOING TO DIE!
by Gill inwell, today i began to think there really was no point in trying to argue a point in a reasonable reasoning way with a jw, after all, there's non so blind as those who will not see.. i saw my, mother, again and we had a humungous scrap on the wtbts.
she wanted to know if i expected her to return to the rcatholic church as that's the religion she originated in.
she told me how she had been badly beaten by the nuns and that on one occasion when she had missed class and gone to the cinema instead she had received such a severe clobbering that she could barely sit down for a week.
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carla
Mine doesn't use the 'society says', he prefers, 'we believe'. Wev'e gone round and round about the stuff from the internet. My reply is ok, then check your own library against what I am telling you, I even supply page numbers, issue numbers etc... For some reason he is either not allowed in the kh library is just too lazy. Or maybe he knows he would be under suspicion if he asked to look. I then have offered to buy old copies of wt literature off of ebay, at some high costs I might add. Then the response is, we don't know if they are real. Well lets get the ink and paper tested at a lab, it may cost big$$$. Well, I guess they look like the real thing, but..... we no longer teach those things. Well then how do you know what you are learning today won't sound as assinine acouple years from now? "Oh we don't, we must wait upon..." Good grief!!!!!
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Update to my meeting with an elder
by Goldminer in.
first of all,sorry for being so late with my update.my wife got up at 8 am this morning so i didn't have the opportunity to be alone for a while.. as for the meeting last night,the elder was very civil,actually commended me for writing my questions down.he never made threaths,asked me if i read apostate material or if i still considered myself a jw.. we started with the 607 question.he will not believe any research beyond the wt's but said he'd do more research on it(all wt) so i guess that will go no where.he believes that ctr got it right by using the bible so i told him if it was figured out 130 years ago,it should be very simple to explain today.the only time he looked stunned was when i showed him from the wt that they once believed that jesus' presence began in 1874.he said he had never read that and tried to walk around it even when i asked him if jehovah wanted his people to believe something that wasn't true.. we beat around a few other questions with nothing concrete coming out of it.he did take my list home with him and said he'd look at them more carefully to get some scriptural answers.i also got the feeling that my wife got a spiritual boost from his visit which was very disheartening to me.anyways,i'm going to work on this 607 thing and see how things go.my wife asked me if i felt like we got somewhere and i said no.beibg told that something is the truth just because the wt says so just doesn't convince me anymore.. i'm attaching my questions,hopefully they show up here.thanks everybody,i feel really down,like i'm wasting my time.i've been wanting to run from this religion for years and here i am still fighting to prove my points.. goldminer.
p.s.-question files won't load-sorry.
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carla
Couldn't you have any materials sent to a friend or neighbor? Most of the sites understand that the mailing address may be different than the credit card address. I even once sent a certified check rather than use a credit card with a papertrail. Now I don't care and just get the mail before he does. carla
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Do any jw pubs say "Due time has approached" ala Luke 21:8?
by Check_Your_Premises inluke 21:8.
8 he said: "look out that you are not misled; for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, i am he, and, the due time has approached.
just curious.
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carla
Sorry I skipped jc cannons stuff.
Jw's always say 'now is the due time' and will always use the 'new light' and we are only men we make 'errors' or 'mistakes' as an excuse. It seems to me that jw's are very anxious about the end. Jesus did say not to be anxious, also said there would always be wars, poor and the like. Do jw's ever read a whole book of the Bible (New Test.) begining to end? It would seem to me that would give them a different perspective. Well, maybe not if they are only reading the NWT. If they would even compare some of their own KIT to the NWT! carla
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Top Breakup Albums/Songs
by sixsixsixtynine ina recent thread where people were recommending music for someone going through a breakup, reminded me of the movie high fidelity.. the main charatcer, rob lists his top 5 breakup albums (and songs too i think, does anyone know what they were?).
what are the albums/songs that make you feel better, by making you feel worse?
here's a few of mine:.
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carla
Oh, not 'You make lovin' fun'! you will be crying in your beer remembering old times!
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Top Breakup Albums/Songs
by sixsixsixtynine ina recent thread where people were recommending music for someone going through a breakup, reminded me of the movie high fidelity.. the main charatcer, rob lists his top 5 breakup albums (and songs too i think, does anyone know what they were?).
what are the albums/songs that make you feel better, by making you feel worse?
here's a few of mine:.
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carla
The Chain by Fleetwood Mac was always a good break up song and get over him/her. If you can get mad instead of hearbroken it sometimes made you feel better.
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My wife is thinking of quitting the "truth"!
by Goldminer in.
last night my wife said she was thinking about quitting the truth.she says she finds it too hard with me having doubts and not wanting to be a jw anymore.she has also been burned by her few jw friends,and the rest are either disfellowshipped or getting divorced.it's really hard to build lasting relationships with such people in the religion.. another positive factor is that she has made 2 good "worldly" friends over the past year.i think she's starting to see that people on the outside can be nice,have morals and accept others as they are.. i hope in time she starts feeling good about this decision and that i can slowly show her the many errors of the wts.so far she agrees with many of the things i've told her but still believes it's the truth.it's a hard battle but i never tought i'd hear her say those words.. btw,she finally called a local elder to see if he can help me with my many questions.he's coming over tonight so it should be quite interesting.i think he'll be a little surprised at some of the direct questions i have;i'm also hoping that after a while he decides there's not much hope for me and just labels me an apostate and starts talking about df'ing me.that would show my wife their attitude towards answering questions that have no scriptural answers.. anyways,i'll do my best to keep you all up-dated.it can be hard to post as my wife diesn't know i come here on a regular basis.. goldminer
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carla
Lucky you! Best wishes for her exit! I would be interested in your questions for the elder. Care to share? thanks, carla
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He's gone
by alreadygone ini dropped andrew (troucul) off at the airport this morning.
he is on his way back to iraq.
i was warned that it was going to be harder to see him leave the second time.
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carla
Will be thinking of you and Andrew! As for something to keep you occupied, how about volunteering at school? just a thought, carla
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How does my Dress Look?
by whyamihere ini am going to my cousins wedding this sunday.
i am really upset because since the past few years our best friend forever friendship really has went down hill.
i have no clue.
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carla
Well, she already said! no makeup and hair wasn't done!
Surely, you have lived with a woman at some point? No makeup, no pictures! easy! She was only talking about the dress, not the rest. That you have to wait for!
Then.....wow! Well that's what you are supposed to say. Then you (the guy) will have a fabulous evening as well! see how that works?
carla
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How does my Dress Look?
by whyamihere ini am going to my cousins wedding this sunday.
i am really upset because since the past few years our best friend forever friendship really has went down hill.
i have no clue.
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carla
Go, have fun! Dance up a storm! feel sexy. carla