Posts by carla

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Logical Fallacy… can I get some help here?

by DATA-DOG in

dr. leanna wen is currently spreading the fallacy that unvaccinated persons should have vaccines mandated because they are like drunk drivers… they have the right to be drunk at home she says, but wanting to be part of society at large without being vaccinated is like driving drunk and putting others at risk.

besides ignoring the science proving that persons who have had sars cov-2 have natural immunity that equals or exceeds anything that could be imparted from the mrna shot, without the side effects or need for boosters, ( sorry big pharma, you’ll be losing $$$ ) this illustration just smacks of illogical reasoning.

it reminds me of the borg comparing getting baptized to getting your driver’s license.

carla

"A drug that is assumed to help at the early stage of infection but even its manufacturer says that it should not be used outside of clinical trials..."- Drugs are used off label every single day in the US and around the world, here is just one article about that- https://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/features/off-label-drug-use-what-you-need-to-know Many countries are now starting to use ivermectin and even in the US though it will not be reported in mainstream news. See therapies to deal with those who are sick instead of waiting until it is too late to even treat them https://covid19criticalcare.com/covid-19-protocols/math-plus-protocol/

"...vaccinations that are proven more effective in lowering symptoms and possibly transmissions ?"- Obviously the vaccines are not working that well if you consider Israel or Iceland for example. They have the highest vaccine compliance and some of the highest 'breakthrough' covid cases.

If Joe had the vaccine and Mary didn't they both get sick (they both are in relatively good health, below 60 etc..) Joe has very mild symptoms and thinks he may just have a cold, he continues on with life thinking that. He believes that because he is vaccinated he is free to go the store, dinner, work, etc... Mary on the other hand did not previously ever have covid nor did she have the shot, she is pretty sick, flu-ish feeling and stays home because, well, because most people do stay home if they have flu like symptoms. Who will be spreading covid? Joe or Mary?

Pfizer has admitted that efficacy drops considerably after 4-6 months while natural immunity is durable and lasting. https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/lasting-immunity-found-after-recovery-covid-19 If one has recovered from covid they do not need the vaccine and if you had the vaccine you should not worry if they guy next to you has had a shot or not, he/she may have already had covid and have natural immunity.

Another think to think of https://americasfrontlinedoctors.org/frontlinenews/information-security-expert-on-revealed-pfizer-agreements-theres-good-reason-pfizer-fought-to-hide-the-details-of-these-contracts/

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Logical Fallacy… can I get some help here?

by DATA-DOG in

dr. leanna wen is currently spreading the fallacy that unvaccinated persons should have vaccines mandated because they are like drunk drivers… they have the right to be drunk at home she says, but wanting to be part of society at large without being vaccinated is like driving drunk and putting others at risk.

besides ignoring the science proving that persons who have had sars cov-2 have natural immunity that equals or exceeds anything that could be imparted from the mrna shot, without the side effects or need for boosters, ( sorry big pharma, you’ll be losing $$$ ) this illustration just smacks of illogical reasoning.

it reminds me of the borg comparing getting baptized to getting your driver’s license.

carla

Why do people have to call names and say that doctors, virologists, etc.. who have as much education (and sometimes more) real world experience in ER's and hospitals are pseudo scientists or lesser than the doctors who are pushing the vaccine without debate?

This entire issue has become a 'religion' of sorts where one cannot even look at alternative views to make an educated decision for themselves without being called names or shunned. It reminds me so much of when my jw first joined the cult. He was warned off of looking at any alternative views at all, in fact he was threatened if he did. Much like those who are trying to have the discussion about the vaccines, natural immunity vs man made and so forth, they are dismissed as nutters, called various names and their mental status is questioned.

Treating the unvaccinated like lepers will not help society. Nor will it stop covid. Many people cannot get the vaccine or do not want it for various reasons. Society cannot run around saying 'my body, my choice' in regard to abortion or in the case of jw's, refusal of blood and then tell others they do not also have the right to say 'my body, my choice'.

If you have had the vaccine you should trust it enough not to care if your neighbor or the guy next to you in line has had it.

Data Dog, I have heard & read the same thing.

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Disturbing JW letters again

by Fadeaway1962 in

https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/anger-over-disturbing-handwritten-jehovahs-5705918i'm .

upsetting the locals again ..

carla

Me.Wonderful, I am a ubm (unbelieving mate, my jw joined up later in life) When I tell people that jw's must hand in a time slip they often don't believe me or think that it is only for the most die hard jw not realizing that it is for all members, in order to stay in good standing or good association. Then when I tell them about the their 'territory' maps complete with notes about each householder they are truly creeped out! "you mean they keep notes about us?! about our responses?" They may even have a note that you are 'big drinker', divorced, how many children, raised as x, y or z religion, went to college or not and so on. If that isn't creepy and invasive I don't know what is.

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Disturbing JW letters again

by Fadeaway1962 in

https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/anger-over-disturbing-handwritten-jehovahs-5705918i'm .

upsetting the locals again ..

carla

"...protect sisters from perverts."- they sure didn't mind sending known perverts to our homes did they? now those same perverts just write letters and still have our addresses.

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What Do You Think About Home Schooling?

by minimus in

jw
friends

i knew a few witnesses who were very proud of the fact that their kids were homeschooled.

years ago, i would raise my eyebrows wondering why these families couldn’t simply integrate their kids with other “worldly” kids.

at this point in time, with so many theories being pushed on kids and their parents, i can see why parents, if they are qualified, could instruct their kids themselves.

carla

I agree that in many religious zealots who attempt to home school fail miserably. The ones I spoke about were not in that category.

As for jw's home schooling, well, didn't they say reading the awakes, wt's and their other literature was equal to a college education at one time? I think that says it all.

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Disturbing JW letters again

by Fadeaway1962 in

https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/anger-over-disturbing-handwritten-jehovahs-5705918i'm .

upsetting the locals again ..

carla

In the US they are addressed to the home owner by name. That is creepy, they have your name but they do not sign their full name and they use a post office box number instead of their personal address. If they truly believed what they wrote they wouldn't have a problem with any Tom, Dick or Harriet having their personal information to be sent on to just anybody.

My jw gets quite annoyed by getting spam phone calls and texts that do address him by his name. Hello Kettle, this is Pot.....

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Disturbing JW letters again

by Fadeaway1962 in

https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/anger-over-disturbing-handwritten-jehovahs-5705918i'm .

upsetting the locals again ..

carla

your link isn't working

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What Do You Think About Home Schooling?

by minimus in

jw
friends

i knew a few witnesses who were very proud of the fact that their kids were homeschooled.

years ago, i would raise my eyebrows wondering why these families couldn’t simply integrate their kids with other “worldly” kids.

at this point in time, with so many theories being pushed on kids and their parents, i can see why parents, if they are qualified, could instruct their kids themselves.

carla

I have seen kids who were home schooled by very dedicated parents (not simply for religious reasons) and these kids were smarter than public school education. One family I am thinking of all 'graduated' early and were accepted into Ivy league colleges and went on to be very successful. I think these parents were exceptional and maybe not the rule. To be fair these kids seemed a bit different than their public school counterparts in that they could and would be happy to carry on a conversation with adults on many subjects. They did seem a bit socially different than the 'regular' kids because they did not play the same and had a more difficult time with kids their own ages.

At one time I would have agreed with Stan, things are changing now.

Today I see many young people researching and learning the best ways to home school for many reasons. As for the social parts of homeschooling, today public schools are required to allow homeschooled in for art, gym, band and so forth. Also many homeschooled also have their own socialization things going on.

I don't think homeschooling is the same as it was in the 70;s, 80;s or even 90;s, it is changing quite a bit. There are so many more resources out there now. It takes real dedication on the parents part to be successful.

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Sen. Barbra Boxer beat up by criminal. She is a uber liberal idiot.

by mickbobcat in

barbra boxer lie that idiot skank polousy are part of the problem and now they are reaping what they have sowed.

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https://www.breitbart.com/crime/2021/07/27/former-democrat-senator-barbara-boxer-assaulted-robbed-in-oakland/.

carla

I certainly don't condone what happened to her.

In her city, "Oakland is among many cities cutting its police budget, despite the rise in murders, doing so over the objections of its police chief."

Makes you wonder if there were more police boots on the streets of Oakland perhaps things like this would happen less often.

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"Resurrection" or "Re-Creation of The Soul"? What do really JW's teach?

by EdenOne in

interesting find through a book "inside story of jehovah's witnesses" (1967) by w.c. stevenson, supposedly a former jw circuit overseer.

it's an interesting "apostate" perspective written prior to the wts 1975 debacle.. anyway, at a certain point, there's a quote from a book called "the four cults", by professor anthony a. hoekema (1963, william b. eerdmans publishing company), a calvinist, which makes some sharp remarks about the way jehovah's witnesses teach the dead coming back to life:.

1) in the case of those "resurrecting" for everlasting life on earth, one asks: if the soul is extinct at death, and the body disintegrates and its components are integrated into other forms of life, what is there to "resurrect"?

carla

I once asked my jw how many clones of you could God make then? he paused and said, "I guess as many as he wanted". He still did not see the point. Went on to say that God wouldn't do that. How do you know that? change the subject.................