Posts by MidwichCuckoo

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The WT doesn't believe in infant baptism, but does an 11 year old really understand what they're getting into isn't just a pool with a lot of people looking on?

by oppostate in

a scene from today's "safeguard your heart" district convention of jehovah's witnesses.

(with thanks to ignacio luis gutierrez).

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/182579_326510270757133_1763913794_n.jpg.

MidwichCuckoo

Phizzy - I did not vow to serve an Organisation or to adhere to the teachings of men, as the later vows did.

In that case, your 'Contract' is not with the Org. So it's not valid for current teachings. Congrats, lol.

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UK child abuse lawyer contact details (keep bumping this thread)

by cedars in

i've already received enquiries from those interested in hiring a lawyer to pursue their own child abuse claims in the wake of the candace conti verdict.

obviously, rick simons has excelled in his handling of the case, but i'm sure it wouldn't be practical for him to represent each-and-every potential client who are victims of child abuse.

i am thinking particularly of victims of molesters in the uk, where i am from.. i have no legal experience, and i am not personally acquianted with any lawyers specializing in this field.

MidwichCuckoo

Cheers Cedars (have PMd you - twice, lol).

Metatron - hope you contacted the police/authorities..?

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Watchtower's Billion Dollars of Property Cannot Be Sold until Outcome of Conti Appeal

by Dogpatch in

30 minutes ago i just got off the phone with some important players in this case, and some things were relayed to me concerning a lot of details of the outcome of the last two days of court.

i am passing this on.

cynthia hampton, one of the main players in the candace conti case (and a close friend of 28 years), just informed me of a further, far more powerful move by the state of california against the watch tower bible and tract society of new york, inc.. by order of the superior court of the state of california - county of alameda (see documents below), until the watch tower's appeal, which won't begin until august 13th and will take up to two years to settle due to due process of law, has forbidden the watch tower to sell any more of its $1 billion in assets in the borough of brooklyn until the appeals case is finished, to assure they won't shelter their monies in the light of this most huge and devastating sexual abuse scandal ever to hit the watch tower society, and perhaps any other single-victim lawsuit.

MidwichCuckoo

Refriedtruth - I can't imagine how hard discovering your Mum's illness and death that way was. How could anyone be so cruel as to not inform you..? Did no one know your whereabouts..?

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Why the Watchtower Can't Drop Its Appeal

by Diest in

i don't think the society can afford to drop this appeal.

1. if they loose their appeal it opens them up to huge amounts of liability.

they need the courts to come down on their side of the clergy-penitent confidentiality issue.

MidwichCuckoo

Reduction of awards happens frequently in the appeal process.

I appreciate this does happen, but when a jury (12 individuals with no interest, and unlikely to have heard of this case before serving - unlike other high profile cases - so not 'swayed' by prior press reports) awards a figure, on what grounds is it adjusted?

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WILL CRIMINAL CHARGES FOLLOW FOR JEHOVAH'S WITNESS ELDERS AND WATCHTOWER STAFF?

by Balaamsass in

in light of this week's us trials for child molestations, the above question needs to be weighed for any jw elder.

they can follow the men of watchtower... or follow god by taking the moral high ground, protecting children, and following the law.. jerry sandusky will spend the rest of his life as a target for jailhouse rape.

he may soon be joined by others who simply decided to stay silent and not report his crimes.

MidwichCuckoo

It would be nice to see those accountable in a Criminal Court - with the Elders standing alongside the perp. They ought be tried on 'guilty knowledge'. A few token custodial sentences would certainly have an affect.

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Why the Watchtower Can't Drop Its Appeal

by Diest in

i don't think the society can afford to drop this appeal.

1. if they loose their appeal it opens them up to huge amounts of liability.

they need the courts to come down on their side of the clergy-penitent confidentiality issue.

MidwichCuckoo

I also believe they will quietlly settle this out of court (if possible) and try to obtain a gag order as they have in the past.

I'd have thought it's a tad late for that.

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I think the Society might drop its appeal over the Conti case

by cedars in

i've been giving some thought to the recent development in which the judge has ruled that the society is barred from completing any property transactions until the appeal is over, which could take up to two years or even more.. i've submitted an article to randy at freeminds in which i basically argue that it is no longer in the society's interests to appeal this case.

if i correctly understand the restrictions placed on the society by the judge, then the governing body has far more to lose by appealing than they could conceivably gain.. think about it.... by appealing, they buy themselves time in which to formulate a long-term strategy for dealing with the fallout of this case, but will be barred from liquidating $1 billion in property assets at a time of global economic uncertainty when their donations are dwindling.

there is also no guarantee that their appeal will be upheld.by dropping their appeal, they take a hit and pay $23.8 million but retain the freedom to see through their real estate projects; retain their financial flexibility to respond to dwindling donations, and get to pretend to their followers (as with the un scandal) that it never happened.of course, i am only saying that dropping the appeal would be the only intelligent option for the society, assuming they are aware of how legally precarious their child abuse policies are.

MidwichCuckoo

Just a thought - the way the official statement is headed and worded ;- 'Jehovah’s Witnesses to appeal jury verdict in California case' is quite crafty. It automatically draws the R&F onside (if you get what I mean).

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I think the Society might drop its appeal over the Conti case

by cedars in

i've been giving some thought to the recent development in which the judge has ruled that the society is barred from completing any property transactions until the appeal is over, which could take up to two years or even more.. i've submitted an article to randy at freeminds in which i basically argue that it is no longer in the society's interests to appeal this case.

if i correctly understand the restrictions placed on the society by the judge, then the governing body has far more to lose by appealing than they could conceivably gain.. think about it.... by appealing, they buy themselves time in which to formulate a long-term strategy for dealing with the fallout of this case, but will be barred from liquidating $1 billion in property assets at a time of global economic uncertainty when their donations are dwindling.

there is also no guarantee that their appeal will be upheld.by dropping their appeal, they take a hit and pay $23.8 million but retain the freedom to see through their real estate projects; retain their financial flexibility to respond to dwindling donations, and get to pretend to their followers (as with the un scandal) that it never happened.of course, i am only saying that dropping the appeal would be the only intelligent option for the society, assuming they are aware of how legally precarious their child abuse policies are.

MidwichCuckoo

It's my understanding that the WT has issued an official statement saying it WILL appeal - so, with this in mind, what reason can it give for changing its mind..?

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I think the Society might drop its appeal over the Conti case

by cedars in

i've been giving some thought to the recent development in which the judge has ruled that the society is barred from completing any property transactions until the appeal is over, which could take up to two years or even more.. i've submitted an article to randy at freeminds in which i basically argue that it is no longer in the society's interests to appeal this case.

if i correctly understand the restrictions placed on the society by the judge, then the governing body has far more to lose by appealing than they could conceivably gain.. think about it.... by appealing, they buy themselves time in which to formulate a long-term strategy for dealing with the fallout of this case, but will be barred from liquidating $1 billion in property assets at a time of global economic uncertainty when their donations are dwindling.

there is also no guarantee that their appeal will be upheld.by dropping their appeal, they take a hit and pay $23.8 million but retain the freedom to see through their real estate projects; retain their financial flexibility to respond to dwindling donations, and get to pretend to their followers (as with the un scandal) that it never happened.of course, i am only saying that dropping the appeal would be the only intelligent option for the society, assuming they are aware of how legally precarious their child abuse policies are.

MidwichCuckoo

I sort of think that by appealing they will attract more unwanted attention/press coverage/questions - and, as you say, if they cough up a quick payment the whole incident will soon be forgotten by the R&F. Short memories.

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Very Curious, what kind of feedback are you getting from ACTIVE Jehovah's Witnesses on Candace's California Court Victory ?

by Balaamsass in

i am stunned by candace's huge court victory.

it is overdue.

i have been reading comments on jvn, huffington, san jose mercury, nbc, and other sources.

MidwichCuckoo

I've been a tad more crafty, 'you ought be prepared on the Ministry, as there's a MASSIVE story on child abuse within the Society just broken in USA...' then fill them in with details. My figuring is THIS way I'm conveying the information in a way they will need to listen. Psychology.