I told the co-worker that he hit the nail on the head. It's all about control and manipulation and nothing to do with keeping the congregation "clean."
Posts by donny
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7It's not your lifestyle that gets you shunned, it's your label.
by donny ina coworker of mine who is married to a jw and i were sitting at break and he asked me why is it that jw's don't shun you for your lifestyle instead of a label they paste upon you.
i kind of knew what he meant but i asked him for some details.
he went on to explain the situation of one of his in-laws.. this 3rd generation jw person has 3 kids all of whom were baptized as teenagers.
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It's not your lifestyle that gets you shunned, it's your label.
by donny ina coworker of mine who is married to a jw and i were sitting at break and he asked me why is it that jw's don't shun you for your lifestyle instead of a label they paste upon you.
i kind of knew what he meant but i asked him for some details.
he went on to explain the situation of one of his in-laws.. this 3rd generation jw person has 3 kids all of whom were baptized as teenagers.
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donny
I can inmagine it. I have felt the same type of mentality in my sojourn through the Watchtower.
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It's not your lifestyle that gets you shunned, it's your label.
by donny ina coworker of mine who is married to a jw and i were sitting at break and he asked me why is it that jw's don't shun you for your lifestyle instead of a label they paste upon you.
i kind of knew what he meant but i asked him for some details.
he went on to explain the situation of one of his in-laws.. this 3rd generation jw person has 3 kids all of whom were baptized as teenagers.
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donny
A coworker of mine who is married to a JW and I were sitting at break and he asked me why is it that JW's don't shun you for your lifestyle instead of a label they paste upon you. I kind of knew what he meant but I asked him for some details. He went on to explain the situation of one of his in-laws.
This 3rd generation JW person has 3 kids all of whom were baptized as teenagers. (All are in their mid to late 20's now)
Kid #1 was disfellowshipped 5 years ago for having sex with his fiance a week before the wedding. He has been married to this same girl since then and is doing well for himself but he has made no real attempt to get reinstated but has no real conflicts with his parents beliefs.
Kid #2 married a JW when she was 18, divorced him at 20 and pretty much quit attending meetings except for the occasional assembly or memorial. She married a Marine at 22 and he died in combat 11 months later. About 6 months later she took up living with a boy she knew in school and has fathered a kid with him. She has no interest in her childhood faith.
Kid #3 has never married and pretty much took the college and career path. She is doing quite well and declares herself to be agnostic and says religion is mostly a pile of steaming B.S., especially the JW's.
When this in-law's wife had a large "gathering" at their family home recently for a fellow members baby shower, all three kids were at the house. People freely chatted with the kids 2 and 3 but shunned kid #1.
This non-JW co-worker said this didn't make any f****in sense to him at all. He said "They are not shunning someone like they did in the bible. The bible says to quit fellowshipping with someone who is a believer and is practicing or living an immoral lifestyle. While I am not a believer, I can understand what that bible citation is saying. My nephew made one mistake and has since lived, according to their teachings, a clean lifestyle.
"My two nieces have and continue to practice what their teachings state is a reason to shun someone, yet they have free access to roam and chat with other JW's. So it is obvious to me that you are not shunned for your lifestyle, instead you are shunned for your label which is assigned to you by the elders. And they really think that I would join such a religion that practices such an obvious error in practice?"
So this non JW fellow can clearly see the obvious. It is not about lifestyle that makes you "bad", it's about what label you are assigned from the ones in charge of label assignment.
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THIS MAN proved that God exists and he did it effortlessly!
by Terry inmeet a really smart fellow named anselm 1043--1109 a.d.. .
he was elected abbot in lombardy in 1078 a.d.. .
that than which nothing greater can be thought exists in the understanding.
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donny
Just for clarification,
Atheism and Agnosticism are not mutually exclusive. Atheism states what one believes, Agnosticism states what one knows. I am an agnostic atheist. I do not believe in any supreme being but I do not and cannot assert that there is no such entity.
Some are Agnostic Theists which believe there is a deity but do not claim to know who or what it is, much like deism.
A Gnostic atheist is one that both does not believe and claims to know there is nothing beyond the physical realm.
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What rumors have you heard about yourself since leaving?
by donny ingood morning all,.
i have had the opportunity over the last couple of years to speak with a couple of jw's who had either attended the same congregation i did or were married to someone who to the same one.
for the record, i disassociated myself in 1992 due to being followed around by an elder or two who had heard that i had ray franz's "crisis of conscience" in my possession.
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donny
Great responses all! I had a great laugh reading some of your accounts.
@ NewChapter - They no longer announce DA's or DF's? How does the congregation know to shun you?
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What rumors have you heard about yourself since leaving?
by donny ingood morning all,.
i have had the opportunity over the last couple of years to speak with a couple of jw's who had either attended the same congregation i did or were married to someone who to the same one.
for the record, i disassociated myself in 1992 due to being followed around by an elder or two who had heard that i had ray franz's "crisis of conscience" in my possession.
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I also was told that I wanted to run for state office so I could submit a bill to outlaw the Society which would make me help fulfill a bible prophecy. That really was funny.
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What rumors have you heard about yourself since leaving?
by donny ingood morning all,.
i have had the opportunity over the last couple of years to speak with a couple of jw's who had either attended the same congregation i did or were married to someone who to the same one.
for the record, i disassociated myself in 1992 due to being followed around by an elder or two who had heard that i had ray franz's "crisis of conscience" in my possession.
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Good morning all,
I have had the opportunity over the last couple of years to speak with a couple of JW's who had either attended the same congregation I did or were married to someone who to the same one. For the record, I disassociated myself in 1992 due to being followed around by an elder or two who had heard that I had Ray Franz's "Crisis of Conscience" in my possession.
Here is what I have been told.
1. I forced my family to sit in a locked room while I read aloud apostate propaganda.
2. I decided that visiting gentlemen’s clubs and other places of ill repute were more important than serving Jehovah. (for the record, I have visited a gentlemen'c club 3 times in my life)
3. I wanted to start my own religion so I could control folks.
4. A demon entered me causing me to have urges to hurt or kill Jehovah's people.
I found these quite humorous and it just reminded me how the JW gossip machine gets going once someone leaves or is disfellowshipped.
What rumors have you heard about yourself since your enlightenment?
Donny
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TV Ministry a No Go for Watchtower Society....ever wonder why?
by Terry inpastor russell had 20 million readers of his newspaper columns worldwide and as many eager students of his topical bible study, studies in the scriptures.. he advertised for 1000 preachers to sell his books door to door!.
the photo drama of creation wowed 9 million people in the early 1914 synchronizing film, hand colored frames and phonograph recordings.. state of the art!.
judge rutherford availed himself of victrola recordings of "religion is a snare and a racket!
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donny
Terry I too remember that strange old dude Gene Scott. I was working a 2nd shift in 1983-85 and when I would get home at 11:45 pm, his show would be on for the next few hours. Even though it was against JW rules to watch this stuff, I found it interesting and humorous how this old guy would sit back in a chair and smoke cigars and yell for folks to send him money. It was great entertainment.
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My DEATH as an Intellectual
by Terry ini had been a straight a student.
i had a prodigious memory for facts, dates, quotes.
i once recited the entire rime of the ancient mariner in english class.
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donny
Great post as usual Terry.
But I have a question. How can you blame the Society for your death as an intellectual when Slave member Anthony Morris declares Jehovah's Witnesses to be "The Thinkingest People On The Planet ."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_9kiS8U46E&playnext=1&list=PLDBAF6B654A127171&feature=results_video
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Is Your Life In Ruins Because You Were A Jehovah's Witness?
by minimus inare you moving on?.
i see some have a very hard time in life because of their witness past..
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donny
Not ruined but it was seriously jacked up for a while. It was very difficult at first dealing with several fists punching you in the gut.
1. Realizing that this organization you had beleived in in just a sham
2. Having to deal with a vindictive ex-wife who was tring to get our kids to distance themselves from me because I was going to be destroyed in Armageddon.
3. Having virtually all of your "friends" shun you simply because you can but into the teachings 100%.
4. Hearing all of the lies now being spread about you in the congregation.