It was like I had been hit by a Mack truck. I had heard some comments made by Ray Franz in 1984 on an old religious talk show called "Talk back with Bob Larson" who himself showed to be a few cards short of a deck later on. Ray made comments about 1874 being the original date of Christs return and he talked about the "fake" Mexico card that JW's bribed the officials for which the Society allowed versus the JW's in Malawi who gave up their lives to avoid buying a 25c politcal party card to show their support for the dictator of that country. When I began quizzing the elders on these issues, they were not interested in giving me answers, but concerned why I was asking them and whom had I been talking to. I knew then that they were trying to hide something.
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75How did you feel when you found out "the truth about the truth"?
by stuckinarut2 inso when you first found out specific facts about the organisation, how did you feel??.
the un membership.
the way 1914 was calculated from pyramid measurements.
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Do You Think Any Of The Governing Body Are Contemplating Suicide? Over This Rather Rude Financial Reality?
by Brokeback Watchtower infaithful and always so very discrete in many things but when it comes to the lord's money not so good.. i think as it begins to register in their minds as to what a terrible job they have done as ceos of a large corporation leading it into this condition that thoughts of suicide come from.
not to mention the shame at being a public spetical to the world by the rc.
all these things and more are creeping through their denial as they are forced to face reality.
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Could Have Been Worse
by Perry inleah rimini spent a lot of money before she ditched her cult: .
over the years she says she spent about $2 million for services and training courses and made another $3 million in donations.
among her expenses was $40,000 to compensate scientology for sandwiches... article.
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Why Do You No Longer Believe in God?
by Tenacious ini know this question has popped up from time to time but i really would like to know how you guys, those that no longer believe, came to that conclusion?
was it the wts and all its crap?
was it something you read?
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I tried going to several of the more "traditional" Christian routes after leaving the JW's, however when applying the same skeptic tactics to them that I applied to the Watchtower, their belief systems also failed to pass the smell test. After some time I came to the conclusion that is there is a creator, it has no interaction with the material world and is most certainly not the being that is the central figure of what is known as the Bible. -
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It's not your conduct, it's your status
by donny injw's often state that their practice of disfellowshipping is used to keep the congregation clean and free of "worldly" influences and the like, however that is just pure b.s.
in actual practice, all they actually care about is your status according to the watchtower society.
case in point is ray's situation.. ray disassociated himself about 20 years ago because elders and other jw's were constantly spreading false rumors after he quit attending meetings.
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Yes. Ray is a not his real name, but I know him. I also an friends with a guy who is the son of a Circuit Overseer. The son became disenfranchised with being a JW and faded away and is now an atheist. His dad gave him instructions on how he is to behave so he will not have to cut him off. This has been going on for about 14 years now and he still fellowship with mom and dad and any other Witness for that matter. -
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by Gorbatchov intoday i read a news topic about the pope in the us.
of course, we were all indoctrinated that the pope is the devil himself.
but, did you see a gb member or a local wts official ever giving attention to a paralyzed witness?
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I was part of the "in crowd" when I was a JW and I got to work in the sound and security depts at most of the assemblies and conventions. I was also in a congregation that had two "heavyweight" elders that worked closely with the Society to set up conventions in the North Texas area. As a result, we almost always had a GB member give the keynote talk. I was often appointed to escort the guy to and from his secured floor hotel room and other than small talk, most were pretty dull. The ones I met were John Barr, Ted Jaracz, Lloyd Barry, Dan Sydlik, Lyman Swingle, Carey Barber and Milton Henchel. -
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Does Anyone Still Believe in God?
by LaurenM indo any of you ex-jw's still believe in god?
even with the new rebranding/softening of this religion, i still don't see how people can believe in him.
the god of the old testimate is an angry murderer who approved rapes and slavery and killed thousands of men, women and children.
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I tried several "traditional" Christian faiths after leaving the Society, but after applying the same skeptic logic to them, I found them to be easier to accept, but equally untrue. I am now an agnostic atheist. -
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It's not your conduct, it's your status
by donny injw's often state that their practice of disfellowshipping is used to keep the congregation clean and free of "worldly" influences and the like, however that is just pure b.s.
in actual practice, all they actually care about is your status according to the watchtower society.
case in point is ray's situation.. ray disassociated himself about 20 years ago because elders and other jw's were constantly spreading false rumors after he quit attending meetings.
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JW's often state that their practice of disfellowshipping is used to keep the congregation clean and free of "worldly" influences and the like, however that is just pure B.S. In actual practice, all they actually care about is your status according to the Watchtower Society. Case in point is Ray's situation.
Ray disassociated himself about 20 years ago because elders and other JW's were constantly spreading false rumors after he quit attending meetings. After a while of putting up with this, he wrote a letter of disassociation which then placed him on the black list of JW world.
From that point on he was cut off and ostracized from the community he had been a part of for many, many years. His wife filed for divorce shortly after and moved away with his three kids, one son and two daughters.
Over the years he did nothing to harass the Witnesses but yet he was considered as dead, described as a bad person, an evil slave, a person full of demons and so on. Actually he is a very nice guy and remarried a few years after his wife divorced him and has done well for himself.
His son remained in the religion and is now an elder.
Daughter #1 married a JW about 12 years ago and divorced him 2 years later. She then married a man who was in the U.S. Marines and unfortunately he died in Iraq about a year later. A year later she moved in with a man with whom she has had two children out of wedlock. She left him for about a year and lived with a 4th guy, but has now reconciled and is back with #3.
Daughter #2 faded from the religion after she graduated from high school several years ago and has told her mom and friends around her that she does not "believe that shit" anymore and is an atheist.
As of today, Ray is still considered someone worthy to be shunned even though he has no animosity toward any JW's nor has said anything negative about them.
However, his two daughters have never been counseled, marked or disfellowshipped from the organization even though their lifestyle is known by several elders and other Witnesses. They can still attend meetings and freely associate with those in attendance.
Why is that? Because their status has not been updated to one worthy of being shunned even though their lifestyle says otherwise. The youngest daughter even plays golf on occasion with an elder in the congregation she grew up in and he knows how she feels about the Witnesses and religion in general.
So it is not your conduct or lifestyle that makes you unworthy of fellowship, it's the status or label that is assigned to you by the Society that does.
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This newly leaked letter PROVES the WTS are hypocrates and do not speak the truth.
by Dunedain inafter reading this newly leaked letter, something profoundly "hit" me.
myself, being born a "witness", and most of us here, who have learned their teachings for years, know of the "importance" the gb/wts always placed on the watchtower and awake magazines, themselves.. from the magazines inception, from back in probably the 1920's, or somewhere that far back, the wts claimed that the preaching work, and specifically the distribution of these magazines, were a sign of the times, and a fulfilment of bible prophecy in these last days.
they would compare the watchtower magazine to a "stinging scorpion", claiming those magazines fulfilled that verse in revelation.
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I remember back around 1991 when a fellow ministerial servant was telling me about the slow collapse of his cousins church, The Worldwide Church of God. They produced a popular free monthly magazine called "The Plain Truth" which had a circulation of around 8 million a month.
The WCOG, like the Witnesses, sprang from the Adventist movement of the late 1800's and they too stated holidays like Christmas, Easter etc were of pagan origin. Some members, who had become JW's, talked about how similar the religions were.
In 1986, the oracle of the church, Herbert W. Armstrong, died and the group began to unravel. Eventually the magazine became smaller and less frequently issued and this "brother JW" of mine began to say that this was an obvious sign that the religion and its publications were not approved by Jehovah.
However, the WT and Awake were increasing which showed the big mans blessing upon them.
Well I wonder what he has to say on this development. Does this mean Jehovah no longer supports the organization and its publications?
What goes around comes around.
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What was the strangest off-the-cuff remark you ever heard from and elder or higher appointee?
by donny ini showed up for saturday morning field service and i was partnered with an elder who had transferred to our congregation in the dallas, texas area from michigan.
i told him about a recent embarrassing moment where i had played a "worldly" song during the sunday meeting due to someone replacing the cassette i had placed in the cassette player late friday night that had the correct "kingdom melody.".
out of the blue he said "about 4 years ago i was giving the sunday talk and i kept sporting a boner from time to time which was bizarre since being horny and teaching about jehovah is typically not something one associates with one another.".
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I showed up for Saturday Morning field service and I was partnered with an elder who had transferred to our congregation in the Dallas, Texas area from Michigan. I told him about a recent embarrassing moment where I had played a "worldly" song during the Sunday meeting due to someone replacing the cassette I had placed in the cassette player late Friday night that had the correct "Kingdom Melody."
Out of the blue he said "About 4 years ago I was giving the Sunday talk and I kept sporting a boner from time to time which was bizarre since being horny and teaching about Jehovah is typically not something one associates with one another."
My only reply was, "No, they don't sound compatible to me."
What strange things have you heard from those "appointed by holy spirit?"