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  Religion: Overselling and Under Delivering

  by Simon in

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  if you've worked in any kind of business where one group of people sells things that another group has to deliver as a service, you inevitably run into problems.

  this is especially true in it services where poor sales people over-sell things.

  that is, they can't sell 6 months of work but they can sell 3 months of work or throw in some other promises ... so they do ... and some techy person then gets landed with an impossible task and is viewed as under delivering while the sales-person gets a bonus for their great sales job unless their management is savvy enough (they never are).

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  donny

  Great post Simon,

  If the Society were a real company they would have filed for bankruptsy years ago!
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  JW Broadcasting reeks of desperation

  by oldskool in

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  again, i'm a decade removed from the faith.

  i'm catching up now, and can't believe what i'm seeing.. i get that jw leadership faced a dilemma.

  there is no intellectual apparatus within the faith.

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  Great post OLDKOOL,

  I have shown some of my friends and coworkers the material presented on JW.Org such as the Caleb "kid" videos and the like and the result I almost always get is WTF?

  And to think I used to be a part of that mess!
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  Does the governing body know what they are doing?

  by Gefangene in

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  2. scandals

  what do you guys think?.

  are they only some uber religious zealots or do they pursue hidden agendas beyond religiosity?.

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  I sincerely believe that the G.B, like other leaders of these type of hierarchal groups, know that most of what they peddle is B.S. and it's just an ends to a mean of keeping their flocks safely enclosed in their pens.
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  Running ahead of Jehovah can be done with a slow walk.

  by donny in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a few days ago i read a post of someone who has recently awakened to what the watchtower bible and tract society really is.

  in their comments, they stated that they had been accused of "running ahead of jehovah.".

  "running ahead of jehovah" was a statement levied at me many times during my convoluted journey through that organization.

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  donny

  A few days ago I read a post of someone who has recently awakened to what the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society really is. In their comments, they stated that they had been accused of "running ahead of Jehovah."

  
  

  "Running ahead of Jehovah" was a statement levied at me many times during my convoluted journey through that organization. I often wonder how many JW's think about that phrase "running ahead of Jehovah?"

  
  

  If Jehovah actually existed and was the ultimate being he is portrayed to be, is such an act even possible?

  
  

  Of course, what the Societies representatives usually meant was that your idea or understanding of a matter was something that could possibly happen one day but it was not yet time for God's one true organization to embrace that mindset.

  
  

  The first time I recalled hearing that phrase was at a elders / ministerial servant meeting one time at the presiding overseers house around 1985. He was talking about a situation regarding the ability of a woman being able to scripturally divorce her husband if she discovered him to be a practicing homosexual.

  
  

  Prior to sometime around 1972 or so, homosexual behavior was not viewed as "pornia" and therefore it was not an act that severed the bonds of matrimony. It was something viewed as an "unclean practice" like masturbation or oral sex.

  
  

  The elder commented that before this "new light" of the early 1970's, a woman who divorced her gay husband and remarried was disfellowshipped for "conduct unbecoming a Christian" since she had now committed adultery.

  
  

  Then when the Society had updated its teaching on the matter and did consider homosexual sex as something that severed the marriage vows, some asked the question as to the status of those throngs of women who were still disfellowshipped and if they would be automatically reinstated.

  
  

  The answer was "No" and the reason given was "they had run ahead of Jehovah" or had "run ahead of the organization."

  
  

  I always had an issue with that concept. How could one run ahead of an entity that was the "Most High" and supposedly knew everything and anything there was to know?

  
  

  It was a question to which I never received a satisfactory answer to and that phrase haunted me until the day I plugged the hole in my head where the contents of my brain had been leaking out.

  
  

  I came to realize that the reason it was possible to run ahead of Jehovah because he was the product of human beings who wandered around the deserts and plains of the Middle East about three millennia ago. They committed their stories and viewpoints to parchment that would later be retranslated and reinterpreted thousands of different ways.

  
  

  Unfortunately, some of us just happened to become part of a group who were suckered and bamboozled by the versions presented by Joseph Rutherford, Freddy Franz and other subsequent members of the so-called "faithful and discreet slave."

  
  

  Well I for one, am glad that I ran ahead of ol' Jehovah and it makes me happy to see him farther and farther in the rear view mirror.
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  It's not your conduct, it's your status

  by donny in

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  jw's often state that their practice of disfellowshipping is used to keep the congregation clean and free of "worldly" influences and the like, however that is just pure b.s.

  in actual practice, all they actually care about is your status according to the watchtower society.

  case in point is ray's situation.. ray disassociated himself about 20 years ago because elders and other jw's were constantly spreading false rumors after he quit attending meetings.

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  Not loyal at all.
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  How much of the Society's publications just get stored away in the garage?

  by donny in

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  almost a year ago i moved back to the dallas - fort worth area after spending 16 years in the northern california area.

  the area i live in has several nearby parks and walkways and these areas have several "share a book" pods mounted on a pole spaced about 1/2 mile from one another.

  people are encouraged to add books they no longer use to these pods and to take one if they are interested.. i have been diligent on removing watchtower publications from them and what has surprised me is how many old publications in pristine condition are added almost on a daily basis.

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  What was of particular interest was not just the age of the publications, but how good a condition they were in. They looked like they just left the publishing room. For those of you who have messaged me or stated in this thread something they are looking for, if I come across said publication, I will make arangments to send it to you.
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  Jehovah’s Witnesses and the Curse of Music.

  by donny in

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  2. beliefs

  jehovahs witnesses and the curse of music.. .

  i was inspired to write this after listening to a recent podcast of the thinking atheist by seth andrews.

  as many of you know, seth was a devout christian who not only loved contemporary christian music but was one of the hosts of a popular morning show on kxoj in tulsa, oklahoma in the 1990s.

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  It's interesting to see that nothing has really changed except the ones who attend the meetings.
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  How much of the Society's publications just get stored away in the garage?

  by donny in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  almost a year ago i moved back to the dallas - fort worth area after spending 16 years in the northern california area.

  the area i live in has several nearby parks and walkways and these areas have several "share a book" pods mounted on a pole spaced about 1/2 mile from one another.

  people are encouraged to add books they no longer use to these pods and to take one if they are interested.. i have been diligent on removing watchtower publications from them and what has surprised me is how many old publications in pristine condition are added almost on a daily basis.

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  Almost a year ago I moved back to the Dallas - Fort Worth area after spending 16 years in the Northern California area. The area I live in has several nearby parks and walkways and these areas have several "Share a book" pods mounted on a pole spaced about 1/2 mile from one another. People are encouraged to add books they no longer use to these pods and to take one if they are interested.

  I have been diligent on removing Watchtower publications from them and what has surprised me is how many old publications in pristine condition are added almost on a daily basis. Brand new looking copies of "True Peace and Security - From What Source?" (1973) "Is This Life All There Is?" (1974), "The Truth That Leads to Everlasting Life" (1981) appear in the pods almost as fast as I can remove them.

  That makes me wonder how much of the Society's publications are still sitting in people's hoarding areas and have yet to see the light? This is not the only time I have seen this phenomenon so it must mean a lot of that crap fortunatley never made it to its intended victims.
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  How did you feel when you found out "the truth about the truth"?

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  2. friends

  so when you first found out specific facts about the organisation, how did you feel??.

  the un membership.

  the way 1914 was calculated from pyramid measurements.

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  It was like I had been hit by a Mack truck. I had heard some comments made by Ray Franz in 1984 on an old religious talk show called "Talk back with Bob Larson" who himself showed to be a few cards short of a deck later on. Ray made comments about 1874 being the original date of Christs return and he talked about the "fake" Mexico card that JW's bribed the officials for which the Society allowed versus the JW's in Malawi who gave up their lives to avoid buying a 25c politcal party card to show their support for the dictator of that country. When I began quizzing the elders on these issues, they were not interested in giving me answers, but concerned why I was asking them and whom had I been talking to. I knew then that they were trying to hide something.
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  Do You Think Any Of The Governing Body Are Contemplating Suicide? Over This Rather Rude Financial Reality?

  by Brokeback Watchtower in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  faithful and always so very discrete in many things but when it comes to the lord's money not so good.. i think as it begins to register in their minds as to what a terrible job they have done as ceos of a large corporation leading it into this condition that thoughts of suicide come from.

  not to mention the shame at being a public spetical to the world by the rc.

  all these things and more are creeping through their denial as they are forced to face reality.

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  Nah, they don't have the nads for that.