Jehovahs accused over gran's death
ic Wales, United Kingdom - 15 minutes ago
by Ben Glaze, South Wales Echo A JEHOVAH’S Witness died after refusing a blood transfusion because it was against her religion. Margaret Rose Cornelius ... http://www.topix.net/who/jehovahs-witnesses/2007/07/icwales-jehovahs-accused-over-grans-death posted at topix join in with your comments no registration needed
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WT BLOOD GUILT EXPOSED TO THE WORLD
by DannyHaszard inparents don't get a moral pass.
toronto star, canada - 3. even the discovery that their parents were devout jehovah's witnesses and is there any other kind of watchtower congregant?
raised only faint alarm ... rosie [email protected] the author.
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WT BLOOD GUILT EXPOSED TO THE WORLD
by DannyHaszard inparents don't get a moral pass.
toronto star, canada - 3. even the discovery that their parents were devout jehovah's witnesses and is there any other kind of watchtower congregant?
raised only faint alarm ... rosie [email protected] the author.
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Jehovahs accused over gran's death
ic Wales, United Kingdom - 15 minutes ago
by Ben Glaze, South Wales Echo A JEHOVAH’S Witness died after refusing a blood transfusion because it was against her religion. Margaret Rose Cornelius ... Jehovahs accused over gran's deathJul 20 2007 by Ben Glaze, South Wales Echo [email protected]write reporter
A JEHOVAH’S Witness died after refusing a blood transfusion because it was against her religion. Margaret Rose Cornelius, 72 and a grandmother of seven, died from a heart attack after a routine hip operation at the Royal Glamorgan Hospital, Llantrisant. Her daughter Gaynor Campbell, wife of Motorhead guitarist Phil Anthony Campbell, today claimed faith elders had visited Margaret in hospital to ensure she would stick to the religion’s strict ban on receiving blood transfusions. Gaynor, of Llantwit Fardre, near Pontypridd, believes she may have been able to persuade her mother to accept blood had religious leaders not intervened. She and Phil were on holiday in Penzance when she received a chilling phone call. “My son called to say, ‘You better get back, Nan’s refusing blood,’ said Gaynor, 47. “She was very frightened. I thought the elders wanted to see someone who was ill in hospital, I thought she’d have her friends around her.” Gaynor said elders even called her to check when she was returning from Cornwall, and believes they visited Margaret as Gaynor and Phil, 46, drove back to South Wales. When she arrived at the hospital, Gaynor tried desperately to persuade medical staff to give her mother the potentially-lifesaving transfusion. Margaret resisted but Gaynor believes her judgement may have been affected by pain-killing morphine. “I think I should have been able to make the decision for her,” said Gaynor, who lost her father 16 years ago and her brother Mark two years ago. “The doctors wouldn’t listen to me. I was saying, ‘I’ll take the blame, just give her blood.’ Mum was brought up as a Jehovah’s Witness and it was in her brain. It’s like she had been brainwashed.” Margaret was admitted to hospital in January after falling in her kitchen at her home in Vale Gardens, Graigwen, Pontypridd, and cracking her hip. She underwent an operation but complications during her recovery meant a low red blood cell count was straining her heart and she needed a transfusion. Margaret later suffered a heart attack and died. “All she thought was, ‘If I have blood I’m not going to be resurrected.’ “She had been a Jehovah’s Witness all her life. She had deep beliefs but never really preached it. As far as I’m concerned, it’s a cult religion. I find it weird – but they were her friends,” said Gaynor. Gaynor and Phil, who have three sons – Todd, 24, Dane, 20, and 16-year-old Tyler – met representatives of Pontypridd and Rhondda NHS Trust in March to discuss concerns over Margaret’s treatment. Fighting back tears, Gaynor today said the pain of her mother’s death was still raw. She said: “She loved life. We all miss her terribly.” [email protected] -
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GUN TOTING ELDER CHARGED MULTIPLE FELONYS (murder)
by DannyHaszard ininjured woman's husband arraigned
hartford courant, united states - 57 minutes ago .
... but the police report offers no reason ambrose - a self-employed carpenter and elder in the canton congregation of the jehovah's witnesses - attacked his wife ...
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Now on google news
German chancellor due in Athens today for talks on defense, Kosovo
Kathimerini, Greece - 1 hour ago
Four Jehovah’s Witnesses who, Malindratos claims, ordered him at gunpoint to carry out the attack on civil servants’ union GSEE President Christos ... -
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WT BLOOD GUILT EXPOSED TO THE WORLD
by DannyHaszard inparents don't get a moral pass.
toronto star, canada - 3. even the discovery that their parents were devout jehovah's witnesses and is there any other kind of watchtower congregant?
raised only faint alarm ... rosie [email protected] the author.
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Was reposted again on news wire
Easy one step register on comment box with word limit keep it short & to the point
Faith's ban on tranfusions spurs 'bloodless' surgeries please post you comments
San Francisco Chronicle, USA - 36 minutes ago
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by DannyHaszard ininjured woman's husband arraigned
hartford courant, united states - 57 minutes ago .
... but the police report offers no reason ambrose - a self-employed carpenter and elder in the canton congregation of the jehovah's witnesses - attacked his wife ...
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Two suspects will testify on Monday The two men accused of attacking Christos Polyzogopoulos, the head of Greece’s largest umbrella union GSEE, were told yesterday that they must testify before a magistrate on Monday. Nikos Koundardas, 29, and Stelios Malindretos, 41, have denied charges of attempted manslaughter, theft and causing serious damage. Koundardas said he took part in a leftist rally in central Athens but then went home. Malindretos said he was forced to hit Polyzogopoulos after being threatened by Jehovah’s Witnesses.EU says Greece can use proceeds of uncollected taxes as budget ...
Kathimerini, Greece - 42 minutes ago
... then went home. Malindretos said he was forced to hit Polyzogopoulos after being threatened by Jehovah ’s Witnesses. Three minor ... UNIONIST ATTACKhttp://www.topix.net/forum/who/jehovahs-witnesses/TR29GM98L536R086L got a discussion going here Current Edition 24 min ago | EKathimerini ... people to give more artifacts back, Culture Minister Giorgos Voulgarakis told Parliament yesterday.Jehovah's Witnesses implicated : Two men charged in connection with the brutal beating of a labor union president in January last year have been ... http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/news_3196256Rfact&xml/&aspKath/news POLYZOGOPOULOS BEATING Jehovah’s Witnesses implicated Two men charged in connection with the brutal beating of a labor union president in January last year have been indicted to appear in court. Stelios Malindratos, 42, and Nikos Koundardas, 30, have been given conditional release ahead of their trial after nearly 18 months in detention. Four Jehovah’s Witnesses who, Malindratos claims, ordered him at gunpoint to carry out the attack on civil servants’ union GSEE President Christos Polyzogopoulos are also due to be tried as moral instigators of the crime. (This is follow up 18 months later)
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WT BLOOD GUILT EXPOSED TO THE WORLD
by DannyHaszard inparents don't get a moral pass.
toronto star, canada - 3. even the discovery that their parents were devout jehovah's witnesses and is there any other kind of watchtower congregant?
raised only faint alarm ... rosie [email protected] the author.
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Easy one step register on comment box with word limit keep it short & to the point Faith's ban on tranfusions pushes doctors to innovateThis story may well have had a very different ending if the 'planned' surgery had not gone so well and the man bled out and died. In the end, as good as bloodless surgery really is, which of course it is good, there is no emergency plan or back up should the patient bleed out and things don't go to plan. The surgeon's hands are literally tied in saving his patient.
What is so funny about the WT policy in allowing blood salvage etc is that it stretched the meaning and imagination when it comes to 'blood that leaves the body must be discarded'. Yet the stretch of imagination cannot go so far as to see that if blood is supposed to represent life and yet it becomes MORE important than life itself something has gone wrong.
It is as if the 'crown' represents the Queen of England. If the Queen of England fell into the sea whilst wearing her crown, it is as if her rescuers go overboard to rescue the 'Crown' but don't bother with the Queen! JWs just can't seem to see that!
San Francisco Chronicle , USA - 1 hour ago
As a Jehovah's Witness, LeRoy Grant believes the Bible forbids blood transfusions. He felt he could not compromise his beliefs. "If I violate God's law on ... -
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by DannyHaszard inparents don't get a moral pass.
toronto star, canada - 3. even the discovery that their parents were devout jehovah's witnesses and is there any other kind of watchtower congregant?
raised only faint alarm ... rosie [email protected] the author.
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Easy one step register on comment box with word limit keep it short & to the point Faith's ban on tranfusions pushes doctors to innovate
San Francisco Chronicle, USA - 1 hour ago
As a Jehovah's Witness, LeRoy Grant believes the Bible forbids blood transfusions. He felt he could not compromise his beliefs. "If I violate God's law on ...Faith's ban on tranfusions pushes doctors to innovate
Matthai Chakko Kuruvila, Chronicle Religion Writer [email protected] Friday, July 20, 2007
Surgeons worked Thursday to save a 74-year-old Oakland man's life -- and abide by his religious conviction -- as they performed emergency open-heart surgery without giving him a blood transfusion. As a Jehovah's Witness, LeRoy Grant believes the Bible forbids blood transfusions. He felt he could not compromise his beliefs. "If I violate God's law on blood simply to gain a few more days -- or years -- of life, I would be dead spiritually, and my relationship with God would be damaged beyond repair," Grant said recently at his home. Such a belief once meant almost certain death, but Grant was recuperating late Thursday after the four-hour procedure. Medical technology has advanced to the point that many doctors believe surgeries without blood transfusions should become the norm. The so-called "bloodless" surgeries use drugs to raise blood counts before an operation and limit blood loss during it. A "cell-saver" machine also allows physicians to collect pooling blood during surgery, wash it and infuse it back into the body intravenously. "There's no conflict between the avoidance of blood and an excellent patient outcome: They go hand in hand," said Dr. Lawrence Goodnough, a national expert on blood transfusions who is director of transfusion services at Stanford University Medical Center and a professor at the university's medical school. A once-archaic belief has developed an ally in cutting-edge medicine. Doctors say the faith's fundamentalism has encouraged the advances by showing how patients can survive with less blood than previously thought. More than 100 hospitals around the nation, as well as Duke and Johns Hopkins universities, have bloodless medical programs that train everyone from technicians to nurses to doctors. But in the Bay Area, Grant had found himself in a medical no-man's land since being told in April that he needed to have surgery or die. Grant had scrambled for approvals from his insurance company, individual surgeons and the cadre of other medical specialists needed for such an operation. He was set to meet with doctors at Stanford Medical Center this week, but had to be rushed to the San Ramon Regional Medical Center on Thursday with severe breathing problems, said his wife, Evelyn. Grant still has to avoid infection as he recovers from the surgery to fix a faulty heart valve, which had caused his blood to have less oxygen than needed. He often labored to breathe. In six months, Grant said he had lost 52 pounds, leaving him at 154 pounds. Jehovah's Witnesses cite several Bible verses to support their beliefs on transfusions, most notably Acts 15:29, which urges believers to abstain from blood. The prohibition on blood transfusions includes strategies such as storing one's own blood. "Blood removed from an individual is to be poured out or discarded," said J.R. Brown, a spokesperson for the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, the Brooklyn headquarters for Jehovah's Witnesses. Goodnough, the Stanford medical center blood transfusions director, said there are a number of advantages to bloodless surgeries. New pathogens historically have entered blood banks well before tests were developed to detect them. HIV and hepatitis C are two examples in recent decades. "The good news is that blood (in blood banks) has never been safer," said Goodnough, who like other doctors interviewed for this story is not a Jehovah's Witness. "But I'm very concerned about emerging pathogens." Goodnough said that more hospitals should have bloodless medical programs, particularly in a world concerned with disasters and terrorism. In the case of a pandemic of a disease such as SARS or avian flu, the entire blood supply could be crippled. "How are you going to deliver health care without blood?" he said. "The answer is a bloodless medical program. You can't jump-start that in the middle of a catastrophe." Despite new medical advancements that allow room for long-held beliefs, some former Jehovah's Witnesses say the prohibition on transfusions goes too far. Amanda Hill said her parents signed liability waivers to prevent her from receiving a transfusion when she was 15 and undergoing a tonsillectomy. It terrified her that her parents would rather see her dead than break a rule. She said her parents, like other Jehovah's Witnesses, thought that death wasn't necessarily bad because believers are resurrected to live in an eternal paradise on Earth after Armageddon. "They see the world as a horrible, horrible place to live," said Hill, 34, an Oakland resident who said she was kicked out of her parents' home at age 16 when her parents discovered that she was a sexually active lesbian. "If the child dies, it's almost like you're doing them a favor." Other former Witnesses say the religion exacts too much control over believers and powerfully dictates belief. Witnesses are taught to socially segregate themselves from all non-Jehovah's Witnesses, and those who leave or violate rules are ostracized, leaving them with little or no support. Critics say that makes belief a matter of force, not faith. Brown, the Jehovah's Witness spokesperson, said that out of the roughly 7 million Jehovah's Witnesses worldwide, roughly 60,000 Witnesses are "disfellowshiped" every year. Nearly half try to make their way back. Willingly accepting a blood transfusion and not repenting is cause for being "disfellowshiped." Grant, who leads a West Oakland congregation, was not raised a Jehovah's Witness. He remembers being appalled when he heard in 1962 that the group did not accept blood transfusions. "There's no way you could tell me I can't give my children blood," he said. "I stopped them from coming to my home." But his wife joined a Witness Bible study not long after. After several years, he followed. In 1969, at age 36, Grant was baptized at a regional convention at Dodger Stadium in Los Angeles. "Obeying God's word since I came into the truth has given me the greatest peace of mind because I've seen God's blessings," he said. This article appeared on page A - 1 of the San Francisco Chronicle -
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Why is it so hard for a JW to admit when they are wrong about anything?
by A-Team inespecially about the bible??
why would jws rather argue and argue instead of admitting defeat and wrongdoing?
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And maybe they were this way before becoming a JW.... part of the attraction.
Or were raised in it and know of no other way to be.My experience is that.. the two closest JW's to me my JW father and my JW maternal (not my dad's mom no relation) grandmother NEVER EVER admiited they were wrong and would scheme,lie,conive,whine,pout to keep from admitting they were wrong about anything and everything they would lie pathologically like psychopaths.
Very scary,so how did i put up with them? Cognitive dissonance on my part I would reason as i was told that "they are in the truth but the truth isn't in them"
The horrific shock for me to crash to pieces in 1992 and have it all wash over me that they were psychopathic monsters because they were Jehovah's Witnesses
BTW my mother and I were impeccably honest and straight forward because we despised their lying BS so much the pendulem swung the other way with me i am honest and let the chips fall where they may!
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Bro PRINCE brings GLORY to JEHOVAH
by DannyHaszard insingle review: prince - "black sweat"
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blogcritics.org, oh - 4 hours ago.
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Reviewer (Bloomerg baby) gives Prince bad review partly blames JW's
Prince's New CD `Planet Earth' Buries Talent Under Indulgence
Bloomberg - 2 hours ago
``Lion of Judah'' refers to the singer's Jehovah's Witness faith. In the good old days, Prince was a rocker, a shocker and a revolutionary. ...Prince's New CD `Planet Earth' Buries Talent Under Indulgence
By Mark Beech
July 18 (Bloomberg) -- Prince is sometimes his own worst enemy. His CD ``Planet Earth'' has a touch of the genius that made him great, yet buries it amid the posturing that has alienated much of his audience.
The 49-year-old singer and guitarist started the year as if he was going to party like it was 1999 all over again. His Super Bowl half-time show in February proved he is a spectacular live force, and that was followed by the announcement of a run of concerts in London, which quickly sold out.
Sadly, Minneapolis's most prolific pop star has flunked it on his 26th album, at a rough count, not including hits and live releases. Only three tracks measure up to his golden era that included ``Purple Rain'' and ``Sign `O' the Times,'' regularly voted in polls as among the best rock albums.
The Artist Once Again Known as Prince (after a period known by a symbol, a sign of his contrariness) still causes division. Rock fans used to be split between those who thought ``Mr. Lovesexy'' brilliant and those who viewed him as a self-indulgent bore. Now, they've split into a band of aficionados and the majority, who either haven't heard of Prince or don't care.
Instead, we are left wondering whether he has anything new to say and when he'll get an aggressive editor-producer. His eccentricity and eclecticism, at first intriguing, have become irritating and pushed him toward the periphery.
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The new CD opens with a six-minute title track that encapsulates both the potential and the problem. There's a bandwagon-jumping, environmental-concern lyric about earth's ``fragile atmosphere.'' It's not Prince's most poetic or subtle - -where is the brilliance of ``When Doves Cry'' with its ``ocean of violets in bloom''? There's a detour into Stevie Wonder-style harmony and that's crowned by an over-the-top guitar solo. Still, the song succeeds because of its gradual build from a plinky piano into a wall of sound and distortion.
That number's followed by the single ``Guitar,'' the sort of thing Prince probably cranks out in his sleep (``I love you baby but not like I love my guitar''), which is saved by a killer riff. ``The One U Wanna C'' is similarly infectious, though ends up in the easy-listening category. The softer sound veers into jazz on ``Somewhere Here on Earth'' and R&B on ``Future Baby Mama.'' ``Lion of Judah'' refers to the singer's Jehovah's Witness faith.
In the good old days, Prince was a rocker, a shocker and a revolutionary. Perhaps the most radical thing about this latest release is the decision to make it a free cover mount in a British newspaper -- it's being sold conventionally in other countries.
Prince has used the Internet to release material and has given away albums with concert tickets, though nothing on this scale before. It leaves him open to the perhaps cynical charge that the CD is so bad it needs to be given away.
The truth is that this is another not-bad album by a Grammy- winning artist who's still cruising. Even ``Chelsea Rodgers,'' one of the few tracks worth downloading, is a funk workout below his prime. Prince is selling himself short.
The CD is released by Columbia. It will be out in the U.S. on July 24 priced at $18.98. In the U.K., it is still available in some shops at 1.40 pounds ($2.86) with the Mail on Sunday.
(Mark Beech writes for Bloomberg News. The opinions expressed are his own.)
To contact the writer of this review: Mark Beech in London at [email protected] .
Last Updated: July 18, 2007 01:35 EDT
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You want some big Watchtower news? I think this is big news.
by under_believer injust like the wts, the mormons (okay, the "church of jesus christ of latter-day saints," hey look, a religion with even less talent at picking a name than the jw's) hide their net worth.
nobody knows how much money they have, though estimates go as high as 30 billion usd.. .
well, this guy in portland is suing them for (what else) pastoral pedophilia, and part of the discussion of damages, the plaintiff argues, is the revelation of how much money the church has.
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