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  convention dates for the midsouth

  by kittyeatzjdubs in

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  i'm considering going to maybe one day of a convention to shake things up a bit...i got some great ideas from the be rebellious at the assembly thread http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/11/91858/1.ashx....so i need convention dates for congos in the memphis, tn area...thanks!!!!

  luv, jojo

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  EscapedLifer1

  Hi kitty,

  Blondie posted the schedule of US conventions at the following:

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/91689/1.ashx

  Hope this helps,

  Brandon
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  2005 Conventions - Florence, SC, USA - Press Release

  by EscapedLifer1 in

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  howdy,.

  well, didn't get much response from the pr i sent to media outlets for the dallas/ft worth texas convention.

  so i decided to redo the pr and try again, for this coming weekend in florence, south carolina.

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  Hey Danny,

  Thanks for the reminders!!! I did get your emails, I just haven't had a chance to go and do it yet, but I will.

  Thanks again, fellow crusader!!!

  Brandon
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  ATTENTION District Convention Attendees!

  by RichieRich in

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  at some convention sites, there will be protests by apostates.

  at other conventions, apostates will covertly slip in and leave messages on cars.

  however, not everyone has the fortitude to protest nor the time.

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  RR,

  Awesome, man! I was hoping someone would scan a lapel badge. Now we can have some fun!! Just need to fake a few "Attendant" attachments, and we can really have fun.

  I think anything we can do to feed their paranoia, and cause them to close ranks even further, squeezing more and more out.

  Brandon
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  2005 Conventions - Florence, SC, USA - Press Release

  by EscapedLifer1 in

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  howdy,.

  well, didn't get much response from the pr i sent to media outlets for the dallas/ft worth texas convention.

  so i decided to redo the pr and try again, for this coming weekend in florence, south carolina.

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  bttt
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  2005 Conventions - Florence, SC, USA - Press Release

  by EscapedLifer1 in

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  howdy,.

  well, didn't get much response from the pr i sent to media outlets for the dallas/ft worth texas convention.

  so i decided to redo the pr and try again, for this coming weekend in florence, south carolina.

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  Howdy,

  Well, didn't get much response from the PR I sent to media outlets for the Dallas/Ft Worth Texas convention. So I decided to redo the PR and try again, for this coming weekend in Florence, South Carolina. I have sent it to the following:

  Morning News (newspaper)

  WBTW - 13 - CBS

  WPDE - 15 - ABC

  Following is the text of the PR:

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  FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE PRESS RELEASE
  Tuesday, June 7, 2005

  JEHOVAH’S WITNESSES DESCEND ON FLORENCE, SOUTH CAROLINA, FOR ANNUAL RELIGIOUS CONVENTION
  DESPITE SLOWING GROWTH IN THE US DUE TO A NUMBER OF SCANDALS IN RECENT YEARS, THOUSANDS OF DEVOUT JEHOVAH’S WITNESSES FROM THE SURROUNDING AREA WILL BE MEETING AT THE FLORENCE CIVIC CENTER THIS WEEKEND.

  FLORENCE, SC - For this one weekend, area Jehovah’s Witnesses will suspend the door to door proselytizing for which they are so well known, in order to meet together for a three day program of instruction prepared by the world headquarters of Jehovah’s Witnesses in Brooklyn, New York. This gathering is only one of two hundred twenty-seven (227) such conventions to be held this summer in the United States, with dozens more in countries around the world.

  Few in the community at large know much about the beliefs and activities of Jehovah’s Witnesses, in spite of their well known evangelical activities to distribute the books, magazines, pamphlets, and tracts they produce by the millions. Once informed of their beliefs, many view them as a high control group (sometimes referred to as a cult).

  Their ranks grew rapidly in the last few decades of the twentieth century, in spite of the documentation of their failed prophecies, constantly changing Bible chronology, flip-flopping doctrinal changes, bizarre medical advice, and dogmatic teachings that many consider physically and emotionally harmful. That growth has slowed somewhat in the last few years, and according to many ex-members the reason for this is greater access to information exposing these “problems”, especially via the Internet. As a brief example, please note the following:

  • One of their core doctrines is that their leadership, called the Governing Body, is ‘God’s sole channel of communication to mankind.’ To even question this is to be labeled an “apostate” and be expelled from the organization. Such expelling also includes a complete shunning of the apostate by all former friends and family, which practice has been proven to be mentally and emotionally harmful, and a primary tactic of control used by cults. Thousands of families have been torn apart by such dysfunctional and harsh doctrines.
  • Another strongly held belief is that very soon, more than six billion humans will be executed by God, and only active Jehovah’s Witnesses will survive this global genocide. An actual date for this end has been predicted by Jehovah’s Witnesses on several occasions, only to lose thousands of members each time the promised date passed without incident.
  • Their well know practice of refusing blood transfusions, regardless of the severity of the medical condition, has led to thousands of needless deaths.
  • More recently, their internal procedures regarding the treatment of pedophiles within their midst have been exposed as harmful to victims and protective of the perpetrators. Media in several countries, including the news program Dateline NBC here in the US, have been instrumental in publicizing this scandal.
  • After demonizing for decades the United Nations as the “beast” of Revelation and a ‘tool of the Devil’, and after criticizing other religions for joining part in UN activities in the pages of their magazines, it was recently exposed that the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of New York was secretly registered with the UN for most of the 1990’s. Interestingly, they cancelled their registration with the UN the very day after their membership was exposed by an article in a UK newspaper.

  For further information on these and other scandals, as well as their beliefs and activities, please review the information provided by the following sources: www.silentlambs.org quotes.watchtower.ca www.freeminds.org www.freedomofmind.com www.watchtowerinformationservice.org

  Contact: Brandon Bartlett - fax (866) 801-8642
  If you decide to run a story on this subject, we would greatly appreciate it if you would simply notify us by fax.
  Thank you.

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  Forgive the formatting above. I'll let you know if anything happens on this one.

  Brandon
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  I'm new here

  by Apostanator in

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  this is the first time i feel comfortable posting something.

  i've been a lurker for over a year and i must say there are a lot of courageous people here who left the watchtower.

  thank god for the internet and sites like this.

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  EscapedLifer1

  Welcome!!!

  Look forward to hearing your story!

  Brandon
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  Guns: Opinions?

  by RichieRich in

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  my mom isnt a big fan of guns, but after being mugged once, she appreciates the value of a well placed firearm.

  she doesn't mind that i hunt and go to the shooting range regularly with my father.

  about 6 months ago, i was out in field service with my mother and an elder's 2 daughters.

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  OMG!!

  ended up selling them to pay for the birth of my 17 year old

  You gave birth to a 17 year old????

  The way in which our 'Boys in Blue' are out gunned on the street, though, is another issue which is very disturbing. The "Boys" get a pistol and a shotgun, and the bad guys get armor piercing full-auto weapons that would scare off an alien invasion! That is so screwed up.

  I so TOTALLY agree. The inequality there in firepower is stupid!!! I don't understand why the government, at every level, doesn't do something about this. It's even worse here in the rural parts of Alabama, where a typical county sherrif might be carrying a six shot revolver and a shotgun in the trunk, while the trailer trash meth lab boys have semi-auto pistols and an AK-47. Just doesn't make sense.

  BTW, that's another reason I believe in myself and my family being armed. If there ever is a problem, the police, who might not have the firepower to protect us anyway, are 15 to 20 minutes away if trouble starts.

  A side thought here - I really appreciate everyone's candor in this discussion. I have seen this issue, plus a zillion other political issues discussed on this JWD board turn into flame wars, with people getting deleted and threats being fired back and forth. I think it is really great that everyone in this discussion has show respect for everyone else's comments, and the discussion has been interesting and fun, even though we disagree to varying degrees. Kudo's to everyone on this thread!!!

  Brandon
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  Guns: Opinions?

  by RichieRich in

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  my mom isnt a big fan of guns, but after being mugged once, she appreciates the value of a well placed firearm.

  she doesn't mind that i hunt and go to the shooting range regularly with my father.

  about 6 months ago, i was out in field service with my mother and an elder's 2 daughters.

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  heathen,

  I agree to a certain degree. We live in a relatively free society, and the price we pay for our greater freedoms is each person having to exercise more personal responsibility to use what they have (whether its a gun, an automobile, or a refrigerator) in a reasonable and safe way. The reason the NRA doesn't want to "go there" on any of the gun legislation is only partly because of the "slippery slope" argument as mentioned by SF. They also have a strong belief in unregulated freedom, their belief being that increased regulation is the governments attempt to control, and thereby decrease freedom.

  I personally wouldn't mind tighter restrictions on gun ownership, or registration. (The NRA stance on this though, is that if all firearms are registered with the government, if the government ever wanted to they could round up all publicly owned firearms to restrict the populace's ability to revolt. That's their fear on registration.) In Alabama, to get a motorcycle license you now have to pass a motorcycle safety course, and I wouldn't mind something similar for firearms.

  I am sure that the scene in an ER, especially an urban one, is grisly when it comes to gunshot wounds. Bullets do horrendous damage, and its sad when the innocent are the target, or just get in the way. But I personally don't think this is sufficient justification for disallowing the public to own firearms.

  Brandon
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  Guns: Opinions?

  by RichieRich in

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  my mom isnt a big fan of guns, but after being mugged once, she appreciates the value of a well placed firearm.

  she doesn't mind that i hunt and go to the shooting range regularly with my father.

  about 6 months ago, i was out in field service with my mother and an elder's 2 daughters.

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  stevenyc,

  Thanks for posting those statistics, very interesting. However, statistics can be interpreted in a variety of ways, and the if the ones running the study already have a preconceived notion then they can easily misinterpret the raw data. I'm not saying this is the case here, but notice the following (bold italics mine) wording:

  Dr. Ted Miller, National Public Services Research Institute examined the link between gun ownership rates and firearms death within Canadian provinces, the United States, England/Wales and Australia and concluded that 92% of the variance in death rates was explained by access to firearms in those areas. He suggested that a 1% increase (or decrease) in the percentage of households with guns in Canada would be associated with a 5.8% increase (or decrease) in the Canadian gun death rate

  Someone else looking at those raw figures could reach a different conclusion, or suggest that other factors are involved that aren't even taken into consideration in this set of numbers.

  For instance, it is only natural that the more guns are available, the more crimes will be committed with guns. That is simply a logical statistical conclusion, just as the more automobiles are on the road, the more automobile accidents will occur. The more construction workers there are, the more construction accidents will happen.

  So what do the statistics prove, other than the logical statistical point just noted? Anything else is a subjective interpretation of the data.

  Brandon
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  Guns: Opinions?

  by RichieRich in

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  my mom isnt a big fan of guns, but after being mugged once, she appreciates the value of a well placed firearm.

  she doesn't mind that i hunt and go to the shooting range regularly with my father.

  about 6 months ago, i was out in field service with my mother and an elder's 2 daughters.

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  EF,

  As I have REPEATEDLY said.....I'm not for banning guns. But you pro-gun nuts have to simply acknowlege that 29,500 gun deaths per year is an acceptable price to pay for our "guns for all" culture.

  I believe that is an erroneous argument, you are linking two things that are not linked. Lets apply your logic to another industry, construction tools. There are thousands of deaths each year on construction sites, so I guess from your perspective, we either need to stop construction activities or simply admit that anyone who works in construction is OK with all the deaths, that's just the price we have to pay to work in construction. What are you smokin', man?

  Just because I own a gun, does not mean that I am OK with even a single gun death, unless it is the death of a criminal while he's trying to hurt or kill someone innocent. Criminals will commit violent crimes with anything. What about kitchen knives? How many people each year are stabbed to death with kitchen knives? Should we all just admit that these deaths are simply the price we kitchen knife nuts pay to have our kitchen knives?

  As as already been stated a thousand times before, it is NOT the object (the gun, the knife, the commercial circular saw) that kills people, its the people misusing that tool or refusing to follow proper safety routines.

  I don't see this as being very honest. Just admit you're ok with thousand upon thousands of deaths per year as the price that must be paid and I'll drop it. :)

  Sorry, not gonna happen, because your linking of the two, your premise, is incorrect.

  It's been an interesting discussion though, and on the other threads I usually agree with you.

  Brandon