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  does "randomness" exist?

  by googlemagoogle in

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  this is maybe largely parallel to the "free will" debate.

  or if there is such thing like "chance".

  many computer languages have a math function "random()".

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  DannyBloem

  Pole,
  
  

  ::I think there is real randomness in the universe, but that is only on sub-atomic scale.
  
  Or is it true determinism? LOL. The chicken or the egg? ;-) Until then I'll trust your assertion. ;-).

  This is a difficult question. Most scientists believe that the processes to describe the quantum mechanics are truly random. With random in this case I mean that there is no cause. This is called the copenhagen interpretation of quantum physics. Not everybody agrees though.
  It is very difficult to imagine things without a cause, but it looks like that this is the most likely the case. In fact the whole quantum physics, a a very powerfull theory, that made a lot of predictions that are verified, is based on calcultion with random probability functions. In fact we can't speak from hard elementary particles as many people thing, but we have to speak of parability waves etc.
  
  
  Google, Your definition of random is a bit vague, and not sure what god has to do with it. I think there are different definitions of 'random', depending on the context. As for your example the computer rand() function can be a good random in the context. And for programmers it is very easy if this random numbers are repeatable to check calculations. But them we can still speak about random in this context. Danny
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  Premonition Dreams?

  by Evanescence in

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  just wondering, has anyone ever had premonition dreams?.

  evanescence.

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  DannyBloem

  Evan,

  Nice you share those experiences with us.
  Sometimes dreams can seem this way. Especially when they are fague enough, there are so many possibilities in which you can think that it can be applied to something we experience later.

  Just a suggestion: if you have dreams about world events in advance, why not write them down here on this board as detailed as possible and we can see what happened. That would really be proof, right?

  Danny
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  Creationist Answer Please

  by skyman in

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  yesterday there was a post that made me think.

  i have a question for you.

  i think creationist are ruled by emotion and not by provable facts.

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  DannyBloem

  At the following website you can access many articles by physicists, astronomers, and numerous other PHD's, scientists, etc about the nature of the universe, God, time, Gravity, light, etc. Many of them are very technical but if you don't mind using a dictionary to help you understand what you are reading you should be able to get the gist of most the subject matter discussed. Dr. Dolphin was lead researcher for the research lab at Stanford and was involved in developing much of the early space program. His bio and work history are there for your perusal. The scientific articles are about 1/3 of the way down. I've been reading them for years and have never been disappointed in any that I have downloaded. Enjoy.

  http://www.ldolphin.org/asstbib.shtml

  yes there is a lot of it.
  Most of it not very scientific though.
  The problem here is that people are trying so hard to prove something totally non objective. All things not supporting their theories are ignored, scientists are misquoted, facts are ignored, and sometimes bended to fit a certain purpose. Where did I hear this before, ahh yes in the kingdom hall. No one ever admits he can be wrong.
  This is not science, it is BS. If you have a specific article you want to discuss I am willing, if you are open for arguments... Danny
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  does "randomness" exist?

  by googlemagoogle in

  1. watchtower
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  this is maybe largely parallel to the "free will" debate.

  or if there is such thing like "chance".

  many computer languages have a math function "random()".

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  DannyBloem

  Pole,

  good plan to move the post to this thread, we were hyjacking this poor skymans thread a bit :)

  Anyway, I think that we basically agree, but maybe used different words to describe it.

  I think there is real randomness in the universe, but that is only on sub-atomic scale.

  A large collction of randomness can be very deterministic however.
  Complex systems sometimes seem random, but they are just complex.

  I think we can use a definition of randoness also here, as google is looking for one, I await....

  Danny
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  does "randomness" exist?

  by googlemagoogle in

  1. watchtower
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  this is maybe largely parallel to the "free will" debate.

  or if there is such thing like "chance".

  many computer languages have a math function "random()".

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  DannyBloem

  Like the decay of radioactive elements.

  This is something pure random. There is no cause.
  You can convert the random decays to random numbers, and you have a real RNG.

  Danny
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  does "randomness" exist?

  by googlemagoogle in

  1. watchtower
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  this is maybe largely parallel to the "free will" debate.

  or if there is such thing like "chance".

  many computer languages have a math function "random()".

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  DannyBloem

  We were already debating a lot about randomness in one of the other threads,

  Anyway computers are determistic, and there is no randomness. The functions like rand() work with some algroritmes that produces semi random numbers. There is a lot written about how they exactly work, and there are different algorithms.

  However in nature true randomness does exists. There are some devices that generate real random numbers using this 'features' of nature.

  Danny
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  Creationist Answer Please

  by skyman in

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  yesterday there was a post that made me think.

  i have a question for you.

  i think creationist are ruled by emotion and not by provable facts.

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  DannyBloem

  Pole,

  This is an interesting subject. Although not much of a creationist response as was asked for

  True, but the complexity of the model does not mean that it's "pure mathematical randomness". Similarily, current weather models are believed to be relatively deterministic in principle (that's why our supercomputers allow us to predict weather patterns for the next day or two), but in practice the complexity of those patterns is so mind-boggling that we like to simply the description of such phenomena by calling them "random".

  Deep down, the cause for mutations is probably real mathematical randomness. Cosmic rays or whatever influence. However DNA is not random, far from it, so even the changes made in dna are maybe random, the results of a single change does not look random. Or maybe better to say, the results of a single change form a very specific distribution.
  The point I wanted to make is that that randomness can be used as a building brick, for certain not random things.

  I think the comparasion to reletively deterministic weather patterns and evolution is a good one.

  As I said thousands of different probability distributions have been observed in nature. Let's not put them all in the same bag.

  Isn't it so, that those different probability distributions are combinations of more simpler ones? or normal distributions working on non linear things, causing an appearend different distribution, but in the basics just a normal distribution?
  Just a question here, not a point taken.

  Danny
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  Premonition Dreams?

  by Evanescence in

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  just wondering, has anyone ever had premonition dreams?.

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  DannyBloem

  Believe what you will. I just thought it was an interesting coincidence.

  Exacly a coincidence.

  When you aks people who have those dreams to write them down to have some more objective way of measuring it will always fail. That says enough I think.

  however there is one exception of course of premonition dreams:
  This girl can really do it, I saw it on tv:
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  Creationist Answer Please

  by skyman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  yesterday there was a post that made me think.

  i have a question for you.

  i think creationist are ruled by emotion and not by provable facts.

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  DannyBloem

  yes randomness is a funny thing

  The movement of gas molecules is random. This randomness can be used as a start and from this you can find the laws of thermodynamics.
  because of this randomness air will flow into a vacuum container when opened, and the flow can be calculated. But is is just based on randomness.

  In the evolution process it may be possible to calculate some things also, but the problem here is that the influences, then number of external parameters in the formulas are to large.

  Danny
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  Is Something Amiss With The Illegalization Of Certain Drugs?

  by FMZ in

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  annual causes of death in america .

  - by church of the divine sage .

  one look at the leading causes of death in america should alert any thinking being to the idea that something truly is amiss with our government and the information they are feeding us.

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  Ecstasy was legal until 1985. you cant overdose on it like they claim. any deaths ; related to it are from dehydration and not the drug itself. i saw a report on emergency room visits because of drugs and it was nothing like you would think it was most of them being from depressants mixed with alcohol and prescription drugs.

  The problem with ecstasy is that it is synthetic and that there is no way you can know whay you are using. We have a lot of deads because they use something that is not exactly right. Luckely there are testing stations at parties to get your illigal drugs tested before you use it. (double standards, right)

  if the government didn't lie about the effects drugs have on people then alot more people would be doing them.alot of people dont smoke tobacco anymore not because they put all the tobacco sellers in jail but they did it through education teaching people about the harm it causes. if they let the people out of jail that had committed nonviolent drug crimes the prisons would be half full instead of over crowded leaning more room for the rapist and ; theifs.

  i think the governments viewpoint on drugs is way off. alcohol is the gateway drug if you ask me

  What does the american government do about warning for tabacco?
  Here we have to put the sign: "smoking kills", or "Smoking causes cancer" etc in big bold letters on each package, advertisement etc (advertisements only limited allowed). Alcohol is more open, you have to be 18 to buy it in a shop. It is okay to drink earlier in privacy though. Soft drugs is allowed. Legalizing soft drugs will only results in much less crime. Danny