Posts by sir82

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147th Gilead prt. 3 - this could stumble people

by neat blue dog in

during gerrit loesch's talk just released, he goes on a long list of the false end times predictions throughout the millennia.

i didn't expect it, but then he goes into the precursors to the bible students who, when their dates failed, changed christ's presence to have happened 'invisibly'.

then it goes right into the jws, and he reads the quote from millions now living will never die about how we can 'confidently expect' the resurrection in 1925, and then the life everlasting book that predicted 1975. of course, he doesn't say how it's still going on, namely with the overlapping generation and its' accompanying convoluted chart, but still, this is more than they've ever said on the subject, especially recently.. it almost sounds like a forced statement, to address any backlash from people reading 'apostate lies' online, because he also says how the gb 'humbly' admitted mistakes, referencing the non-apology after 1975 that disturbed raymond franz.

sir82

Saw this for myself.

Losch delivers the talk with all the warmth, feeling, and enthusiasm of a hostage reading his captor's statement at gunpoint.

Losch is old and has never been a vibrant speaker, but this was wretched even by his standards. He was so nervous he mispronounced words or stumbled in nearly every sentence. It was bad.

The only thing I can think of is what I wrote earlier - they WTS just wants to get [something] out there in their JW Broadcasting archives which addresses the "apostate claims" of false prophecy. Content, soundness of argument, reasonableness are of absolutely no importance - just plant the idea in the minds of JWs that "oh, that topic was covered in a broadcast" so they can ignore "apostate" info when confronted with it.

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Don Adams has passed away

by RubaDub in

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i received a call from a friend in new york city that don adams passed away late last evening (30 dec 2019).

many of you bethelites know him and he was the president of the society for a number of years after the gb got out of the corporate structure business.

from what i understand, he was generally liked by many there.. some in my family knew him.

sir82

Never met Don, but had Joel Adams teaching a 2-day elders school a number of years ago.

I recall my dad using the expression "sourpuss" - referring to an old codger who looked & acted permanently pissed off at the world.

Whenever Joel Adams was doing his "teaching", that word kept popping into my head.

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2019 service report is out

by slimboyfat in

the 2019 report is out:.

https://download-a.akamaihd.net/files/media_publication/29/syr19_e.pdf.

the “average publisher” figure for individual countries has made a comeback!

sir82

I think quite a few people imagine the JWs as being wealthy.

Depends on your perspective.

In the US, for example, a typical US native wouldn't think so.

But for a recent immigrant, one who came with virtually nothing and now works 60-80 hours a week and sends 80% of their earnings back home, seeing other JWs "just like me" with nicer clothes, a functioning rust-free car, and a house, well, JWism seems like the path to a much better life. So why not listen to them?

Virtually all growth in the USA is in foreign language congregations, and virtually all of that growth comes from immigrants who are the target of those congregations.

I imagine it is similar in other countries.

12

Another Rare Beard Sighting

by neat blue dog in

this is from a recent article about malawi, and the caption calls the man "brother welosi mbendera".. .

sir82

"Oh, JWs in Africa can get away with beards...but not here."

Spoken or thought by 95% of JWs in the world.

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147th Gilead prt. 3 - this could stumble people

by neat blue dog in

during gerrit loesch's talk just released, he goes on a long list of the false end times predictions throughout the millennia.

i didn't expect it, but then he goes into the precursors to the bible students who, when their dates failed, changed christ's presence to have happened 'invisibly'.

then it goes right into the jws, and he reads the quote from millions now living will never die about how we can 'confidently expect' the resurrection in 1925, and then the life everlasting book that predicted 1975. of course, he doesn't say how it's still going on, namely with the overlapping generation and its' accompanying convoluted chart, but still, this is more than they've ever said on the subject, especially recently.. it almost sounds like a forced statement, to address any backlash from people reading 'apostate lies' online, because he also says how the gb 'humbly' admitted mistakes, referencing the non-apology after 1975 that disturbed raymond franz.

sir82

Trying to get out in front of "apostate" info.

If a JW is confronted by "negative information" about the myriad prophetic failures of the WTS, all an "alert elder" has to do now is point the JW to this talk. "See? This is nothing shocking, even the GB talk openly about it!"

It doesn't have to make sense. There just has to be an extant explanation.

Same thing, essentially, with the goofy "generation" explanation. JWs don't have to understand it, and the organization doesn't care if they understand it. It is sufficient for JWs to know that "oh yeah, somewhere on JW Broadcasting, there is a talk from Splane with a chart that explains it. If I ever really need to understand it, I'll just look up that old video."

Of course, the video is all unadulterated bullcrap, and clarifies nothing. The important thing is that in the back of the typical JW mind, "it's all explained somwhere."

And now, for issues with date setting and false prophecy, "oh yeah, there's a talk by Losch somewhere on JW broadcasting that explains it all, so I don't have to think about it myself."

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The Faithful and Discreet Slave Just "have" The Truth

by Number 6 in

in the late 80's when i was in my late teens i used to with my then wife to be attend a monday night pre-watchtower study at a local elders house.. this guy was revered as very knowledgable and he was scholarly and interesting to listen to; so at the time it was a genuinely enjoyable monday evening spent with oftentimes discussion would veer far of the subject at hand and lasting to well after 11pm some evenings.. this particular night, the subject up for discussion was "the faithful and discreet slave" and how we should be obeying them without question.

right in the middle of the study this elder said as a question not in the wt article; "how do we really know the current fds as lead by the governing body are the real deal.

i mean what actual proof do we have?".

sir82

I think some of the older generation were more realistic and less cultish. Perhaps they genuinely felt they had a
relationship with god that was not dependent on the mediation of the organisation.

My experience as well.

That generation (!) is pretty much marginalized now. The youngest of them are in their 70's, and increasingly pushed to the side as the current crop of younger elders & pioneers, all hepped up on "the organization", are running things now.

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Worldly holidays

by road to nowhere in

if they announce anything any more ( my hall doesnt even announce funerals, only judicial stuff and letters from mom) they say something like: "tomorrow is a worldly holiday so..... ".

we all know it is christmas or whatever.

and most of us do have a day off, ( needed) the smart ones who are able will work for the double time and fewer bosses around.

sir82

"Tomorrow is a worldly holiday, so we will have a special meeting for service...."

I went out in field serve-us one time on Thanksgiving day, back when i was still a true believer.

That one time cured me forever. Even as a true believer, I felt perfectly horrible for interrupting people who were just trying to enjoy their holiday.

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Happy First Day Of Winter

by The Bethelite in

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the great cycles of our life.. everything is moving and with the moving comes change...everything changes.

another cycle is over.

beginnings and endings.

sir82

we are truly dust in the wind.

Carry on my wayward son.

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Jehovah’s Witnesses form a barricade at Melbourne 2019 International Convention protest

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

during the pyeongchang 2018 olympic and paralympic winter games, which were held from february 9-25, 2018, and march 9-18, 2018, brothers and sisters in korea engaged in a special campaign to offer the many international visitors bible-based publications free of charge.. .

here are protesters exercising their rights to free speech at a 2019 international convention in melbourne, australia.

just like the jehovah's witnesses have rights to hold up magazines while olympic attendees walk by, protesters at the jehovah's witness convention are not given their rights to walk around with their signs and protest.

sir82

I love that little kid in the corner of the first picture.

His expression says "Can you believe these morons?!?"

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"The Origin of Life" fails to deliver

by Doug Mason in

https://jwstudies.com/_the_origin_of_life_-_fails_to_deliver.pdf .

sir82

Good lord what a train wreck.

Don't feed the (probably 14 year old) troll.