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  This is who PMSNBC is holding up as legit

  by phoenixrising in

  1. social
  2. current

  waterhead sharpton is a racist, conman and idiot who can hardly speak.

  but pmsnbc and other groups push him off as some kind or intellectual good guy.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eorpmrhai3e.

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  sir82

  You seem to be triggered a lot lately. Is everything OK?
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  new situation in world helpful to org?

  by Magnum in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  sometimes new situations can provide cover for one’s mistakes or intentions.

  for example, suppose that i crack the windshield in my dad’s car one night.

  i go home, park the car in its usual spot in the yard, and go to bed without telling my dad because i’m scared and i’m trying to think of a way out of the situation.

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  Seems like it would be appealing financially, but the organization values control and power more than money.

  There is no practical way to exercise power and control over adherents in an "e-religion".

  There may well be some permanent changes, but meeting together as a congregation, and interaction between elders & rank and file, will continue as it always has, in some manner.
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  False prophets with other religions

  by lostsheep82 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i remember when i was young an article we studied that stated something to the effect that, religions or other people have at times set dates or tried to set dates using chronology but that those were deemed false prophets.... can anyone point me to any or multiple articles or quotes that can help me in my fight with my parents?

  i'm battling the 1914 generation change at the moment.

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  JWFacts website as tons of stuff, including WT "literature" references.

  Here is the section on "Generation": https://jwfacts.com/watchtower/generation.php

  One of my favorite arguments:

  Even the masthead of the Awake! changed with this new teaching. Until 1995, it said: "This magazine builds confidence in the Creator's promise of a peaceful and secure new world before the generation that saw the events of 1914 pass away."

  

  This was changed in November 1995 to: "This magazine builds confidence in the Creator's promise of a peaceful and secure new world that is about to replace the present wicked, lawless system of things."

  

  The Watchtower published, 24 times a year, for literally decades, that the "creator's promise..." would occur "...before the generation that saw the events of 1914 passes away."

  Obviously anyone who "saw the events of 1914" would have to be at least 110 years old today. There are estimated to be 150 - 600 such persons alive on earth today. Another couple of years and the number will be in single digits, or all will be dead.

  Ask your debating opponent, "The magazine said Jehovah promised a new world before the generation that saw the events of 1914 passed away. The new world is not here. So did Jehovah break his promise?" Of course they have to answer "No".

  Follow up with "So, Jehovah didn't make such a promise. What should Jehovah do to an organization that printed, literally hundreds of times across many decades, words that made it look like the creator broke his promise? They spoke lies and attributed them to Jehovah. That is the definition of a false prophet. What should happen to a false prophet?"
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  How Can So Many Protesters (George Floyd) Be From "Somewhere Else?"

  by RubaDub in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i hear every mayor, every politician, claiming that the protesters are coming in from "other states".

  at some point, with about 130 cities that had protests over the last weekend, where the hell are people coming from???.

  there are only 50 states (57 per obama, but that includes us territories and kenya).

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  Doesn't George Soros pay their airfare to hop from city to city?

  That's what I heard from reliable sources, so it must be true.
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  Josephs generation

  by road to nowhere in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i got to thinking about the video last week.

  splane has reuben at 27, joseph at teenage.

  is this the same joseph that he uses in the generation chart mess with a generation spanning about a jillion years?.

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  That's the one.

  Imagine! A GB member twisting and pulling scriptures to fit the point he's trying to make, even if the same scripture is used to "prove" entirely contradictory points on other occasions. Who'd have thunk it?

  Actually, that's nothing. I've seen literally contradictory points made, not just in the same WT article, but in the same paragraph.
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  Peace and security

  by BourneIdentity in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  scrolling through the news this morning and i couldn’t help to think we are light years from any leaders crying out peace and security.

  jws are going to have to wait another decade or two and see how things develop before they get excited about armageddon coming in their lifetime.

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  Didn't you hear?

  "Nations" are going to all work together and find a miraculous cure for COVID-19. They will be so inspired by their united success, they will follow the next logical steps: proclaim "worldwide peace and security" and then "destroy all religions".

  Don't roll your eyes at me! This is all Bible-based.
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  2020 Convention streamed

  by Rattigan350 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  2020 convention of jehovah’s witnesses.

  we warmly invite you to watch this year’s three-day convention presented by jehovah’s witnesses.

  as a result of the novel coronavirus (covid-19) pandemic, this year’s convention program is being presented online at jw.org.

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  No baptisms I guess

  In our area, they going to do baptisms in swimming pools of individual JWs. If you're going to get baptized, you schlep over to Brother Wealthy's house and trek to his backyard to get dunked.

  Really.
  
  
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  Will You Constantly Wear A Mask?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  today, it will be 90 degrees and humid!

  this morning i’ll be playing tennis again.

  while most people have been holed up in their houses, i have regularly played the sport outside.

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  Masks don't work. Period.

  Masks work. Period.

  https://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2020/05/27/science.abc6197

  Infectious aerosol particles can be released during breathing and speaking by asymptomatic infected individuals. No masking maximizes exposure, whereas universal masking results in the least exposure.

  Social distancing alone is not enough:

  Increasing evidence for SARS-CoV-2 suggests the 6 ft WHO recommendation is likely not enough
  under many indoor conditions where aerosols can remain airborne for hours, accumulate over
  time, and follow air flows over distances further than 6 ft

  The studies upon which the "6 feet of social distancing" are 80+(!!!) years old:

  The World Health Organization (WHO) recommendations for social distancing of 6 ft and hand
  washing to reduce the spread of SARS-CoV-2 are based on studies of respiratory droplets carried
  out in the 1930s.

  There's lots more science-based information in the article, but I realize that is completely irrelevant to many posters on this site. But maybe some folks are interested.
  
  
  
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  Watchtower August 2020 Are they introducing new light?

  by Listener in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the latest watchtower is now out and they make this statement -.

  7 during the thousand year rule of christ, all of jehovah’s earthly children will have to make changes to please him.

  so all of them will have true fellow feeling as they help the resurrected ones to combat sinful tendencies and to live by jehovah’s standards.

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  Don't be so sure that they carefully research their articles to make sure everything is consistent.

  They have no central direction and no "oracle" any more. Their doctrines are a mishmash of the less wacky of Fred Franz's ideas and various random reinterpretations by Splane & company.

  Best bet? Someone in the writing department just used "children of God" because it sounded nice & warm & fuzzy and his proofreader didn't think about "official" WT doctrine about not becoming "children of God until after the 1000 years" because (1) in WT-world, it's not a particularly important point, and (2) as noted above, outside of the core doctrines, it's such a tangled mess who can possibly keep track of it all?
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  Field service national average - what do you think it is now?

  by BourneIdentity in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  it’s always been 10 hours when door to door was active.

  i’m curious of how it’s changed with only letter writing and phone witnessing approved.. i’m curious if they are able to do it for 3 hours like a typical door to door morning.

  i would be surprised.

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  Just out of curiosity where do they get addresses and phone numbers for letter writing and calls?

  There are several websites which store the info that used to be in the phone books that dinosaurs like us grew up with.

  One is "Whitepages. com". It has a "reverse address lookup", enter the street address and it tells you who lives there. If there is a landline it will give that to you too. Accuracy is questionable, but it's at least a starting point.

  There are others which work similarly.