many become and remain witnesses because of the hope of living in a paradise earth.
for those who have left how did you cope with the loss of this hope?
or do you still have this hope?.
Curtains, you spoke of hope after the belief in jw paradise. Hope of what? Life after death? My hope is to be satisfied (or have a modicum of)when I die. To be reassuring to my children and granchildren that I am OK on this lone journey. I am gone forever in this form and the future is the great question that humanity has struggled with for millenia.
Oh, I must say great comments from others so far...
by opening this post, you are admitting that you are failures - well done!
lol.
i must say, i have had so much fun on this site - some real laugh out loud moments for my friends and i to enjoy.. no need to respond - i am busy pioneering from tomorrow, so will no longer have time on my hands to sit at my pc enjoying laughing at your pathetic comments.
"No need to respond - I am busy pioneering from tomorrow, so will no longer have time on my hands to sit at my pc enjoying laughing at your pathetic comments. How sad you all are".
LOL! If you opened this, it shows you are not sure of the decision you made to be a pioneer. You need reassurance that you have the "truth" and by insulting those who don't follow your path you hope to feel superiour. But in reality you are searching for real truth, as it took great effort to log on here. You have just taken the first steps to unplug yourself from the machine. Too late for regrets, you've taken the RED PILL.
ok.... looking for some logical explainations.... my daughter, ali, who i've been posting about on the forum...who has developed congestive heart failure.... has had some spooky experiences lately in her house.
here are a few of the things that happened:.
about a month ago, ali and her son david, heard noises from the attic above ali's bedroom...that sounded like something was being dragged across the attic floor.
LOL again! You may understand why I rarely comment on this site and esp rarely expect a comment that shows any growth post jws (usually silence). Great to meet a fellow traveller into the journey of real enquiry. I hope my previous comment doesn't hurt the uninitiated (about getting to the doctor) It's just what is...
ok.... looking for some logical explainations.... my daughter, ali, who i've been posting about on the forum...who has developed congestive heart failure.... has had some spooky experiences lately in her house.
here are a few of the things that happened:.
about a month ago, ali and her son david, heard noises from the attic above ali's bedroom...that sounded like something was being dragged across the attic floor.
LOL at Liberty93
You have more patience than me. I will fess up and say I have seen and learned things without drugs or alcohol that defy logic.
I will voice what I "read" in that original post. Get your shoes on and get to the doctor FAST!
ok.... looking for some logical explainations.... my daughter, ali, who i've been posting about on the forum...who has developed congestive heart failure.... has had some spooky experiences lately in her house.
here are a few of the things that happened:.
about a month ago, ali and her son david, heard noises from the attic above ali's bedroom...that sounded like something was being dragged across the attic floor.
What ever people on this forum say, either believers in a "spirit" world or deniers, would'nt it be better for peace of mind to move? Your daughter has a delicate heart, I reckon nothing is worth stressing out about that could shorten our all too brief time on this planet.
when the challenger exploded?.
i was dutifully going door to door to door, when a lady came to the door crying about the cahllenger.
she invited me in and i placed a set of magazines.
Well I wasn't a baby but I had two little children and was not far off being a single dad. Add the jw lifestyle and my reaction to that disaster was shock but quickly back to the realities of my own situation.
i've been finding that jw's use clever words to slip out of anything.
case in point, the shunning statement from the interview.
as another example, i tried to ask my study conductor the following: "if a person accepts a whole blood transfusion, will they be disfellowshipped?
Even as a jw I could see that doctrine was changed on a needs basis. When I first became interested in jws there was a doctrine change around heart transplants. Originally the heart was the seat of the soul. One magazine article and whammo the heart is just a pump. I had no doubt that aging governing body members required the surgery, so made it legit. The same goes for higher education being OK at different times when the gb requires doctors nurses lawyers. When satisfied, education is a no no again. They are spin masters.
here is the most thrilling moment of my life.. i got to meet my film composer heroes john barry and miklos rosza at the beverly hills writer's guild theater for a seminar on filmmusic.. i was 30 years old at the time and going through my "you look like clint eastwood" stage.
(i'm trying to explain my crazy hair!).
i chatted with them and got them to sign my albums.. what was your most thrilling moment?.
Having an M16 shoved in my face in Sri Lanka, after being warned not to go into that particular area. The thrill was not positive....
for decades they've produced massive tomes on their own peculiar brand of wt-centric prophecy, but it seems like the production of prophecy-related material as of late has slowed to a trickle, their last prophecy-related book that i can recall was the minor-prophets book released a few years back.
however that book if i recall was very vague in its exposition, focusing on daily life application rather than eschatology.
and yet the armageddon-end-times-obedience-"generation" drumbeat grows faster and louder with less and less exposition as to how or when exactly any of this is supposed to play out.
This hasn't flowed through to the rank and file though. I just had a friend on Facebook have a chuckle as two jws knocked on his door yesterday trying to tie the floods in Australia to prophecy.
Actually, this quite profound. Once the r and f get the message that prophecy has laid too much egg on the collective jw writer's faces, so has been abandoned, what will they talk about at people's doors? Where will the "urgency" go? Kinda like the fire brigade never having to fight a fire. Eventually, you find another job.
the thread about the cross got me to thinking about this - i think i read somewhere that the earliest known christian relic was a mosaic display of the fish symbol - which was taken as a sign of christianity.. has the watchtower ever explained why they avoid the use of this symbol?.
have they ever explained why it is ok for them to use the watchtower as a symbol but not this?.
I thought it was because Jesus supposedly said "become fishers of men" e.g. Jesus had caught you, so you have a fish symbol to identify you as christian....
